Will enterprises buy into the new Windows vision?

Microsoft's new vision of Windows might make sense to consumers, but for enterprises, is there any draw to using anything other than the desktop?

There are zero examples of business apps where the Windows Store app counterpart is better than the old Windows desktop counterpart. So, assuming your user base does not contain a majority of masochists married into the new Windows vision for the sheer joy of it, they're all going to spend their time in the old Windows world.

Will enterprises buy into the new Windows vision? | ZDNet

 

[turbofish]

And that is the reason that Lenovo is doing well in the desktop market right now while everyone else is failing. They allow us to have Windows 7 instead of forcing us to Windows 8. By this time next year, we will have purchased over 1,200 new machines, all with Windows 7 on it.
There isn't one app in the Windows Store that will perform like the desktop version

 

[pparks1]

Dell also allows sales of Windows 7. Most of their business machines are all on 7 on the website.

 

[labeeman]

Dell also allows sales of Windows 7. Most of their business machines are all on 7 on the website.

Maybe they could generate more sales if they also allowed Windows 7 sales on the consumer side also?

 

[pparks1]

I don't think it would make much of a difference really. Most people aren't buying pc's these days. One piece of software makes 8 mostly palatable, classic shell our start 8. One is free and one is $5.

 

[Coke Robot]

Yes, but it will take about 7 to 10 years. It's the same reasoning with the iphone, not many in the enterprise thought it was even to be used over a blackberry, but since the whole consumer space picked it up and has demonstrated it is a proven technology, it is being used in the enterprise along with the ipad primarily for ios.

The enterprise isn't quite to change things like that until it's proven. Time will show.

 

[pparks1]

Yes, but it will take about 7 to 10 years. It's the same reasoning with the iphone, not many in the enterprise thought it was even to be used over a blackberry, but since the whole consumer space picked it up and has demonstrated it is a proven technology, it is being used in the enterprise along with the ipad primarily for ios.

The enterprise isn't quite to change things like that until it's proven. Time will show.

With BlackBerry, they were very well liked by IT because they could be controlled, remotely wiped, etc. It was a real shock when iPhones made inroads into enterprise because their was no control over the device. I'm still shocked that enterprises were as willing to go with consumer grade technology, but it was what people wanted and desired..plain and simple. So we have given what we valued as #1 to allow people to be happy.

 

[goodintentions]

And that is the reason that Lenovo is doing well in the desktop market right now while everyone else is failing. They allow us to have Windows 7 instead of forcing us to Windows 8. By this time next year, we will have purchased over 1,200 new machines, all with Windows 7 on it.
There isn't one app in the Windows Store that will perform like the desktop version

Don't blame Windows 8 for slumping PC sales - Apr. 17, 2013

That's an opinion piece talking about the paradigm shift that's responsible for the slumps of PC sales. People like to blame windows 8 because they can put a face on it. But PC sales started decreasing back in 2010 and really took a nose dive between 2011 and 2012. Both of these periods were long before windows 8 came out.

Regarding your last sentence. Again, you sound like there is no desktop in windows 8 that takes advantage of the millions of apps written for the desktop. Is there a reason why you think windows 8 doesn't have a desktop?

 

[turbofish]

It's a statement that modern UI apps can't have the power, features of a full desktop app. Looks at what most of the Modern UI apps are, converted phone apps. Why would I want a Facebook app when I get a faster and better experience when I go directly to Facebook using the browser of my choice? Same with news apps. I get more content and a better experience by going directly to the site itself. Modern UI Mail over Outlook 2013? Even the little games have usually been ported over to a better app via a browser. And none of these apps belong to an enterprise market where surfing Facebook, news, playing games is not likely to be acceptable work time spent. There aren't enterprise apps in Microsoft store!

 

[goodintentions]

It's a statement that modern UI apps can't have the power, features of a full desktop app. Looks at what most of the Modern UI apps are, converted phone apps. Why would I want a Facebook app when I get a faster and better experience when I go directly to Facebook using the browser of my choice? Same with news apps. I get more content and a better experience by going directly to the site itself. Modern UI Mail over Outlook 2013? Even the little games have usually been ported over to a better app via a browser. And none of these apps belong to an enterprise market where surfing Facebook, news, playing games is not likely to be acceptable work time spent. There aren't enterprise apps in Microsoft store!

I don't think the metro apps are intended to be used on a desktop pc, for now at least. Again, why do you even bother thinking about it? You sound like the desktop environment is gone for good.

I don't play games, except starcraft which I play from time to time, and I don't have an fb account. I spend most of my time in the modern environment except when I'm writing a report.

I still don't get where the sentiment is coming from. You sound like the desktop is gone. Nobody is saying the metro apps are better than the desktop ones. You dislike the metro apps, we get it. There are millions of desktop apps for you to choose from that will run fine on your w8 machine.

 

[Rickkins]

Other than a handful of companies that have an absolute need to have a fully functioning version of windows on a tablet, and those are damned few, most enterprise will avoid anything higher than 7, at least until ms drops the metro nonsense. This otta be obviouis to most folk, even the diehard fans.

 

[ARC1020]

Other than a handful of companies that have an absolute need to have a fully functioning version of windows on a tablet, and those are damned few, most enterprise will avoid anything higher than 7, at least until ms drops the metro nonsense. This otta be obviouis to most folk, even the diehard fans.

Metro apps will make no difference to Enterprise. If they don't want Store/Metro apps on end users machines, they will just remove them before deployment when creating the OS image. I doubt they'll even remove them manually, they'll just use PowerShell.

That's not to say they won't use it as an excuse to negotiate on price though.

 

[Coke Robot]

Yes, but it will take about 7 to 10 years. It's the same reasoning with the iphone, not many in the enterprise thought it was even to be used over a blackberry, but since the whole consumer space picked it up and has demonstrated it is a proven technology, it is being used in the enterprise along with the ipad primarily for ios.

The enterprise isn't quite to change things like that until it's proven. Time will show.

With BlackBerry, they were very well liked by IT because they could be controlled, remotely wiped, etc. It was a real shock when iPhones made inroads into enterprise because their was no control over the device. I'm still shocked that enterprises were as willing to go with consumer grade technology, but it was what people wanted and desired..plain and simple. So we have given what we valued as #1 to allow people to be happy.

People are happy with the iphone, BECAUSE it is a proven and developed product. If it were the inverse and people used Blackberries, the same would happen.

It's just like with Windows, people have Windows at work and Windows at home and they're content with that. If an enterprise switched Windows to say, Ubuntu, that wouldn't make people too happy. For a while at least.

 

[Coke Robot]

And that is the reason that Lenovo is doing well in the desktop market right now while everyone else is failing. They allow us to have Windows 7 instead of forcing us to Windows 8. By this time next year, we will have purchased over 1,200 new machines, all with Windows 7 on it.
There isn't one app in the Windows Store that will perform like the desktop version

Don't blame Windows 8 for slumping PC sales - Apr. 17, 2013

That's an opinion piece talking about the paradigm shift that's responsible for the slumps of PC sales. People like to blame windows 8 because they can put a face on it. But PC sales started decreasing back in 2010 and really took a nose dive between 2011 and 2012. Both of these periods were long before windows 8 came out.

Regarding your last sentence. Again, you sound like there is no desktop in windows 8 that takes advantage of the millions of apps written for the desktop. Is there a reason why you think windows 8 doesn't have a desktop?

This should be under and over stated.

Since the ipad came out, PC sales started to peak and drop. Correlation? I think yes.

And yet, even with this known, OEMs STILL think rehashing last year's models with Windows 8 will make PC sales skyrocket? Methinks obviously not.

 

[Coke Robot]

Other than a handful of companies that have an absolute need to have a fully functioning version of windows on a tablet, and those are damned few, most enterprise will avoid anything higher than 7, at least until ms drops the metro nonsense. This otta be obviouis to most folk, even the diehard fans.

Metro apps will make no difference to Enterprise. If they don't want Store/Metro apps on end users machines, they will just remove them before deployment when creating the OS image. I doubt they'll even remove them manually, they'll just use PowerShell.

That's not to say they won't use it as an excuse to negotiate on price though.

How is this different than disabling the games in Windows 7, Control Panel access, Task Manager, or enabling UAC controls?