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Sophos Disses Norton and McAfee, Praises Windows 8 Built-in Antivirus
Perhaps you've heard that Windows 8 will ship with built-in antivirus software. Don't fret if you're just now learning this, Microsoft did a great job bombarding the media with information about its next major OS at its BUILD conference, and retaining it all on first pass is asking a lot. Nevertheless, this is a big announcement, and one that can't be sitting well with third-party AV vendors. Security firm Sophos has a message for them: "Too bad, sucka!"
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The only difference it will make is for those systems without a pre-installed A/V. OEM's will continue getting their pay-per-install from Norton & McAfee and people will continue to let them expire without replacing them.
We believe that all Windows 8 users should be protected by traditional antimalware software that provides an effective, industry-recognized level of protection. There are a lot of great antimalware solutions available that we expect will be updated to protect Windows 8 PCs and we believe most PC makers will continue to ship Windows PCs with these solutions installed.
We’re continuing to work with antimalware partners during the Windows 8 development process so you have the best possible Windows PC experience no matter what antimalware solution you choose. We provide them with resources, such as the technical details of how we architected the performance improvements for Windows Defender, so they have the opportunity to make similar improvements to their products.
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Yeah, I agree with the fact that security software companies had their chance this past decade but yet PCs are getting herpes and viruses and all sorts of yuck. But then again, that might be also due to the fact of user ignorance. Windows 8 will change that.
On a side note, I am really liking the phrase, "Windows 8 will change that." It's awesome!
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I'm wondering, isn't MS building up monopolistic positions again that it got hammered for? Inbuilt AV, iso handler, pdf reader (where did modern pdf reader disappear? Oh well, not really missing it).
Good info. Still loaded up MSE and its running smoothly.
Hi, Lee!
Why did you do that when it's already built in to the Win 8 OS?
It is, is that what Windows Defender is/does??
Can I uninstall MSE?
As far as MS building an AV, or anything else they want into their OS, good for them. I just bought a Chevrolet pick up, GM had installed the seat belts, thank you GM. I don't need to be running all over looking for seat belts.
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I'm wondering, isn't MS building up monopolistic positions again that it got hammered for? Inbuilt AV, iso handler, pdf reader (where did modern pdf reader disappear? Oh well, not really missing it).
As I understand it, since the majority of computer purchases are OEM, if the OEM elects to include a different A/V then the revamped Windows Defender will not be activated. From the same blog post:
If you don’t have another solution installed, Windows 8 will provide you protection with a significantly improved version of Windows Defender.
Originally Posted by 24c
Originally Posted by mikedl
Originally Posted by Lee
Good info. Still loaded up MSE and its running smoothly.
Hi, Lee!
Why did you do that when it's already built in to the Win 8 OS?
It is, is that what Windows Defender is/does??
Can I uninstall MSE?
As far as MS building an AV, or anything else they want into their OS, good for them. I just bought a Chevrolet pick up, GM had installed the seat belts, thank you GM. I don't need to be running all over looking for seat belts.
On Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7, Windows Defender only includes signatures for spyware, adware, and PUPs. Only in the Developer Preview, the virus, worms, bots and rootkit definitions included in MSE, Microsoft Forefront, Windows InTune, etc. are included, thus incorporating A/V protection.
Thus, in the Developer Preview, Windows Defender = Microsoft Security Essentials.
Hello Corrine. As far as OEMs are concerned, they'll just install whatever the highest bidder pays and of course we know MS has deep pockets and a "special" relationship with OEMs.
Second, its about choice. When the user makes an informed decision of which anti-malware product he'll use from a distance. Bundling an AV with the OS is trying to make a backdoor entry and gives MS a head start for various reasons- user inertia, MS advocacy of a product (they're the guys who know best cos they made the OS etc.) etc.