Educators Across the US Adopt Windows 8 to Help Make Stude

REDMOND, Wash. — March 27, 2013 — Microsoft Corp. today announced that 10 K–12 school districts and higher-education institutions have signed on to use Windows 8 for more than 540,000 students and faculty to prepare students for futures in college and careers. Microsoft’s expanding community of Windows 8 education adopters now includes Apollo Group, Atlanta Public Schools, Barry University, Fargo Public Schools, Fresno Unified School District, Jackson-Madison County School System, Pace University, San Antonio Independent School District, Thomas College and Tuckahoe Common School District.


Educators Across the US Adopt Windows 8 to Help Make Students College-Ready and Career-Ready
 
I don't know if the US taxpayer is having to cough up for that lot.

In the UK , I understand MS has done a deal - not sure exactly the price.

It is worth MS giving it away - it keeps out any competition - for Office as well.
 

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I don't know if the US taxpayer is having to cough up for that lot.

In the UK , I understand MS has done a deal - not sure exactly the price.

It is worth MS giving it away - it keeps out any competition - for Office as well.

yes cant see they paying full price it be special price im sure
 

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Office365 for Education is free for both students and faculty - only plans that include the desktop software installation packages for Office 2013, voicemail, or uptime SLAs cost money (and comparatively, they're almost free):
Office 365 Academic - Office.com
 

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Microsoft has been offering deals like that for years, so that they virtually embed their products into such organisations. Enterprise customers have a deal where employees can purchase the complete Office Professional suite for about $15 (I've been able to do so), which locks in a huge number of consumers to Microsoft's products. It costs Microsoft virtually nothing, but maintains a huge userbase. Then there are all the student discounts etc. Mind you others do that as well, such as Adobe.
 

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Aw yeah!! I'll gladly pay my federal and state taxes if it means Windows 8 is being used in public education for sure! Here in my state of Idaho, we had idiot lawmakers try (later were nullified by the public) to "reform" education. Part of the amendment was to add technology into schools, which is a good idea in theory but in practice is a WHOLE other thing. They didn't even research what would be best for the student and IT staff. They were going to use these HP Elite or Pro books I believe, because HP donated like 50,000 dollars to our idiot state education superintendent's reelection. But the problem with those is the fact that they are laptops, with HARD DRIVES mind you, running Windows 7 which probably will get reformatted over to xp in probably several school districts in the state. I know the local schools will definitely do an idiotic move like that. A hard drive based laptop given to your typical twitter/instagram/facebook/"smart"phone user teenager? IT costs will pile up left and right to replace dead drives. SSDs should had been used, but again, that just goes to show how poor that effort was on the idiot lawmakers' behalf on that aspect.... But enough of that.

The benefit I see here is that educators will use Windows 8 tablet PCs, with SSDs over hard drives. Fast, speedy, and in a proper form factor. It's awful to hear that ipads are being used to just basically read a book, you literally can't do crap with a stick in education with such a device; it was NEVER designed for that. It's too expensive to try to make it useable somewhat for those purposes, and even then, the software support for Office won't be there, networked drives can't be accessed, and special airplay or Bluetooth or other ios enabled printers have to be used. TOO expensive! With a Windows 8 tablet PC, at probably at an OEM contracted price for education, along with Microsoft basically giving away Office 365 for very little for education, this is literally the BEST solution to be put in practice at the current point in time. That's just that. And best of all, x86 tablets are great because they can be configured to have special software, like AutoCAD for drafting classes, Photoshop for digital media classes, and so on and so forth on that student's personal tablet computer to have with them at all times.

The way I see it, I question the institution of somewhat higher education that uses the ipad.
 

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LOL.

That is one of the ways MS keeps their monopoly.

Not surprised you approve of it.

Interesting those kids will be exposed almost constantly to the barrage of exhortations to MS online services, using their dominance to give Bing an uncompetitive advantage, ads, etc.

Lovely.


the software support for Office won't be there

As it shouldn't be. If it was, it would have a devastating effect on any attempt at competition, or a free market.

You believe in a free market don't you Cokie?
 

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LOL.

That is one of the ways MS keeps their monopoly.

Not surprised you approve of it.

Interesting those kids will be exposed almost constantly to the barrage of exhortations to MS online services, using their dominance to give Bing an uncompetitive advantage, ads, etc.

Lovely.


the software support for Office won't be there

As it shouldn't be. If it was, it would have a devastating effect on any attempt at competition, or a free market.

You believe in a free market don't you Cokie?
Not only I approve of it, it bloody well works! I believe in a free market, but as it is, pretty much no one is competing against Microsoft well enough to be considered an alternative. All there is are freeware that I can vouch for a fact can't float in the education when students have been taught Office already. There are cloud services like google docs, but even that can't float well enough most of the time, it's too simple and when you need advanced things; it's not there.

And you don't seem to see the flipside, if google were to invade on Microsoft's territory, that would be a monopoly as well. In fact, that's what google is doing, becoming the "new" Microsoft as they were 15 years ago. Just because Microsoft is predominantly used in the enterprise and education doesn't mean it's a monopoly, but what else is there? Not much. Why? Not many are competing against them on a dollar based level. Why? I can't say. Should there be? Yes. That's how things innovate and develop.

Even then, an x86 tablet PC can be easily switched to a google online monopoly, google docs, youtube, google search, chrome, and so on and so forth.

This is why you can't underestimate Microsoft, they knew how to create territory many many years ago: they licensed Windows, focused on the enterprise, then as an indirect result, trickled down to the consumer as that's what they were already using at work and school. That's what apple is trying to do with the ipad, get it into education and extort students and schools of hundreds of thousands of markups because of a bitten out of apple logo. Lastly, Microsoft was actually developing Office for android and ios but that seems to have crashed and burned. Why? They started some crap with google and their paid adverts, in which google responded with cutting out google services and support from Windows Phone like google docs and calendars as well as youtube; after saying they're cutting out some of Microsoft's services from gmail I think it was. So that's not happening due to company competition. Then there's apple and the ipad, there were legit screenshots of Office mobile being developed for it, but apple got greedy and demanded a 30 percent cut of SkyDrive storage upgrades. Which I find stupid as taking a 30 percent cut from a free app of something that you don't even purchase in-app, you do it on Outlook.com in browser. So apple's not relenting on that, and Microsoft doesn't want to either. So that's not going to happen.

Office is basically the leverage for using Windows and Windows Phone, it's the best, most used, and has little alternative. Not that it's a monopoly, there isn't competition that can really be an alternative to it that I've mentioned already. That's the way it is.
 

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LOL.

That is one of the ways MS keeps their monopoly.

There's no such thing as a free market in the US, just like the US isn't a "free country" - it's nice to say, and it's nice to believe, but it doesn't exist as such. Also, to be fair Apple gives away millions of dollars of hardware and software to school systems all over the US as well (and has since I was in school, 30+ years ago - it's not a new thing at all ;)). I don't remember seeing Microsoft software in wide use in public schools until recently (last 5-6 years), but that may just be my experience and not typical. I am simply guessing this is just Microsoft taking a page from Apple's playbook.
 

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LOL.

That is one of the ways MS keeps their monopoly.

There's no such thing as a free market in the US, just like the US isn't a "free country" - it's nice to say, and it's nice to believe, but it doesn't exist as such. Also, to be fair Apple gives away millions of dollars of hardware and software to school systems all over the US as well (and has since I was in school, 30+ years ago - it's not a new thing at all ;)). I don't remember seeing Microsoft software in wide use in public schools until recently (last 5-6 years), but that may just be my experience and not typical. I am simply guessing this is just Microsoft taking a page from Apple's playbook.

Microsoft has been in public schools since the mid to late '90s and forward...

Mostly because using apple products would break the school district's bank.
 

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Can't provide a product that can be used as a proper alternative to Office or Windows? Kind of just proved my point here...
 

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Microsoft has been offering deals like that for years, so that they virtually embed their products into such organisations. Enterprise customers have a deal where employees can purchase the complete Office Professional suite for about $15 (I've been able to do so), which locks in a huge number of consumers to Microsoft's products. It costs Microsoft virtually nothing, but maintains a huge userbase. Then there are all the student discounts etc. Mind you others do that as well, such as Adobe.

I've always been annoyed by the massive price discrepancies myself. Like you said, Home Use Program for Office makes a $400 product $9.99 to $19.99. Technet provides tons of software for $200. Dreamspark is free for students. But then for regular adults, we get $200 copies of Windows, $129 to $399 for a copy of Office, etc.
 

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I've always been annoyed by the massive price discrepancies myself. Like you said, Home Use Program for Office makes a $400 product $9.99 to $19.99. Technet provides tons of software for $200. Dreamspark is free for students. But then for regular adults, we get $200 copies of Windows, $129 to $399 for a copy of Office, etc.
  • Home Use program is covered by a business' VL agreement with Microsoft, which contains a LOT of other costs - you're getting the software at cost, yes, but there was a lot of money transacted to get you that right. Microsoft is still making some cash on the deal, and you're using their products (call it subversive marketing, perhaps).
  • As to the TechNet software, that is NOT for production use, only testing. Testing shouldn't be expensive, or no one would test the real thing, nor purchase it (or be far less likely to).
  • Dreamspark is free because students usually aren't well off financially, and getting someone to use your product when they're impressionable is one of the hallmarks of marketing - it's why you see things in schools, to market to students so that they'll use it when they do purchase.
  • If you're going to use the software, purchasing retail is quite expensive (per unit, of course) compared to volume licensing, OEM copies, and such - partly because retail is the smallest market for software (by far), and partially because Microsoft is trying to push it's cloud Office365 offerings over boxed (virtual or physical) Office software. The pricing is meant to drive behavior here, I believe.
 

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Microsoft has been offering deals like that for years, so that they virtually embed their products into such organisations. Enterprise customers have a deal where employees can purchase the complete Office Professional suite for about $15 (I've been able to do so), which locks in a huge number of consumers to Microsoft's products. It costs Microsoft virtually nothing, but maintains a huge userbase. Then there are all the student discounts etc. Mind you others do that as well, such as Adobe.

I've always been annoyed by the massive price discrepancies myself. Like you said, Home Use Program for Office makes a $400 product $9.99 to $19.99. Technet provides tons of software for $200. Dreamspark is free for students. But then for regular adults, we get $200 copies of Windows, $129 to $399 for a copy of Office, etc.
Ahhh, the joys of being grown up.... :)
 

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There's no such thing as a free market in the US

LOL. You have a point, but nobody is expecting it to be perfect.

They should teach the basics in schools. Sadly , it is evident from some of the responses on this thread that at least one person hasn't a clue. I don't know how widespread that is.
 

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It depends on your point of view, but I would agree that students are under-taught some of the more basic things we were taught in the 70s and 80s due to the insistence on government that math and science are the most important things. Because of how the system works (I have many relatives who work in public schools across the US, from teachers to administrators) and how it's rewarded (or chastised, as the case may be), emphasis is thus put VERY heavily on whatever the state or federal levels dictate is important, and other things are left to the wayside. I find my nephews (who just graduated this year) have a decent handle on their math skills, and their science skills aren't as bad - however, their language skills, history knowledge, and general all-around knowledge (they didn't take shop, home ec, typing, or any advanced history or government classes as they weren't offered - nor would there have been adequate time given the strong curricular emphasis on math and science courses). Unfortunately, we've lost sight in the US that schools are for *education*, which includes a rounded courseload, because students learn not only course materials, but *how to learn* if they get a good education. This has been lost in the drive to cram as many math and science formulas into their heads, and the misguided notion that this will somehow make the students "better". Whatever that means - it isn't working on almost any level of success.
 

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I've always been annoyed by the massive price discrepancies myself. Like you said, Home Use Program for Office makes a $400 product $9.99 to $19.99. Technet provides tons of software for $200. Dreamspark is free for students. But then for regular adults, we get $200 copies of Windows, $129 to $399 for a copy of Office, etc.
  • Home Use program is covered by a business' VL agreement with Microsoft, which contains a LOT of other costs - you're getting the software at cost, yes, but there was a lot of money transacted to get you that right. Microsoft is still making some cash on the deal, and you're using their products (call it subversive marketing, perhaps).
  • As to the TechNet software, that is NOT for production use, only testing. Testing shouldn't be expensive, or no one would test the real thing, nor purchase it (or be far less likely to).
  • Dreamspark is free because students usually aren't well off financially, and getting someone to use your product when they're impressionable is one of the hallmarks of marketing - it's why you see things in schools, to market to students so that they'll use it when they do purchase.
  • If you're going to use the software, purchasing retail is quite expensive (per unit, of course) compared to volume licensing, OEM copies, and such - partly because retail is the smallest market for software (by far), and partially because Microsoft is trying to push it's cloud Office365 offerings over boxed (virtual or physical) Office software. The pricing is meant to drive behavior here, I believe.

Understood all of that. I've administered the Home Use Program for 2 different companies. While there are a lot of costs on the business side, the benefit for the employee side is huge. And it leads some employees to thinking that Microsoft Office is naturally cheap and they think that everybody should own it.

I know Technet is NOT for production use. But I'd bet dollars to donuts that many who won Technet subs around here (and anywhere), are using these OS licenses and Office licenses on their computers at home.

Dreamspark...yes I understand that too. But I was broke when I was in college and took out lots of loans and it took me over 10 years to pay them off. It's just a kick in the nuts when students can get something for an absurdly low price and a person who is unemployed and trying to get back into the workforce has to pay $100-$400 for the same software.
 

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the misguided notion that this will somehow make the students "better". Whatever that means - it isn't working on almost any level of success.

Not too different in the UK nowadays.

Illustrated by Trevor Nunn sitting the A level shakespeare paper and only scoring a B.

Very few marks for thinking or ideas - mostly for parrotting out the "expected" points.
 

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It depends on your point of view, but I would agree that students are under-taught some of the more basic things we were taught in the 70s and 80s due to the insistence on government that math and science are the most important things. Because of how the system works (I have many relatives who work in public schools across the US, from teachers to administrators) and how it's rewarded (or chastised, as the case may be), emphasis is thus put VERY heavily on whatever the state or federal levels dictate is important, and other things are left to the wayside. I find my nephews (who just graduated this year) have a decent handle on their math skills, and their science skills aren't as bad - however, their language skills, history knowledge, and general all-around knowledge (they didn't take shop, home ec, typing, or any advanced history or government classes as they weren't offered - nor would there have been adequate time given the strong curricular emphasis on math and science courses). Unfortunately, we've lost sight in the US that schools are for *education*, which includes a rounded courseload, because students learn not only course materials, but *how to learn* if they get a good education. This has been lost in the drive to cram as many math and science formulas into their heads, and the misguided notion that this will somehow make the students "better". Whatever that means - it isn't working on almost any level of success.
. . .and nothing changes. Heard the same thing back in the fifties, sixties, seventies, etc.. A student will usually decide (right or wrong) what it is he/she will learn the most. Most colleges today require a new student to either pass a grammar, and writing test or take English Lit 101. Also, depending on what your career choice is you may have to retake some of the classes you thought you were through with in Senior High School.
It's not just the student and the teacher it is also the parent/s.
 

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