Forbes Win 8 is the first Windows I hate

My only hope for Windows 8 now is that MS comes to its senses and allows us to customize Windows 8 to focus more on the keyboard and mouse. It could achieve this with the service pack 1 update that we expect—if Microsoft holds to historical timetables—to land towards the end of this year. I’m not asking Microsoft to abandon touch, just give people who have no need for it—who, by my estimation account for 99 percent of Windows users—the chance to move it into the background.


Why Windows 8 Is The First Windows Release I Absolutely Hate - Forbes
 
[FONT=&quot]If mouse verses touch there is less physical movement with using the mouse…[/FONT]
 

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Must be one of Ray8s mates, "by my estimation", that about sums it up. How about some real figures.
 

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My only hope for Windows 8 now is that MS comes to its senses and allows us to customize Windows 8 to focus more on the keyboard and mouse. It could achieve this with the service pack 1 update that we expect—if Microsoft holds to historical timetables—to land towards the end of this year. I’m not asking Microsoft to abandon touch, just give people who have no need for it—who, by my estimation account for 99 percent of Windows users—the chance to move it into the background.


Why Windows 8 Is The First Windows Release I Absolutely Hate - Forbes

Hi there

Yawn, Yawn , Mega more Yawn.
Forbes and his ilk are just as worthless as Gartner etc.

For instance he says He doesn't like Windows 7 either -- please note Ray8 -- so if he's a colleague of yours what do you feel about W7 or should we all stick with XP.

Another issue - he says touch is FORCED on to users --you don't have to get ANYWHERE near touch if you don't want to .
And the most BOVINE remark of all -- Users will be forced to change the way they work -- well if set up properly --especially in a Workplace environment where most apps are probably pinned to the desktop / quick launch bar - users barely have to change ANYTHING.

If this article is written by a technical guy -- well it doesn't say much for their experience with ACTUAL USERS or even how users work in an office etc.

I think you can safely IGNORE all those articles by so called "experts".

If person A doesn't like it that's his / her prerogative. I can well imagine how someone used to Windows 3.11 won't like it.

IMO even at work the guys who seem to be most afraid of using new technology seem to be the I.T admins who take great pleasure in having loads of text based consoles covered with all sorts of scripts that make the old Egyptian symbols in the Valley of Kings look like a kindergarten ABC. (I suppose the IT guys realize it'll probably make their jobs more difficult - but that IMO isn't a valid excuse for using new technology if it makes the END USERS job easier).

Most of the people I've shown it to quite like it actually - even people used to previous versions of Windows -- but W8 does need to be set up so people don't get lost trying to get out of those metro screens. The GUI does need to be changed a bit - but the overall OS isn't met with anything like the hostility some people on this Forum seem to have for it.

Cheers
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It sounded like a relative connection to Ray for me too.
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The problem with Windows 8 is that Microsoft decided to shove a highly inefficient touch-based user interface onto millions of PC users using non-touch desktops and notebooks...
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Must be one of Ray8s mates, "by my estimation", that about sums it up. How about some real figures.
 

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Good mornin Ray.
 

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They should never have forced the MPI on us, or RT, or Windows 8, 10" tablets are DOA. They should have bought out Surface Pro first, it's all so bleeding obvious old chap.

Just being serious for a moment, what's an MPI again?
 

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Hi there

Yawn, Yawn , Mega more Yawn.
Forbes and his ilk are just as worthless as Gartner etc.

For instance he says He doesn't like Windows 7 either -- please note Ray8 -- so if he's a colleague of yours what do you feel about W7 or should we all stick with XP.

Another issue - he says touch is FORCED on to users --you don't have to get ANYWHERE near touch if you don't want to .
And the most BOVINE remark of all -- Users will be forced to change the way they work -- well if set up properly --especially in a Workplace environment where most apps are probably pinned to the desktop / quick launch bar - users barely have to change ANYTHING.

If this article is written by a technical guy -- well it doesn't say much for their experience with ACTUAL USERS or even how users work in an office etc.

I think you can safely IGNORE all those articles by so called "experts".

If person A doesn't like it that's his / her prerogative. I can well imagine how someone used to Windows 3.11 won't like it.

IMO even at work the guys who seem to be most afraid of using new technology seem to be the I.T admins who take great pleasure in having loads of text based consoles covered with all sorts of scripts that make the old Egyptian symbols in the Valley of Kings look like a kindergarten ABC. (I suppose the IT guys realize it'll probably make their jobs more difficult - but that IMO isn't a valid excuse for using new technology if it makes the END USERS job easier).

Most of the people I've shown it to quite like it actually - even people used to previous versions of Windows -- but W8 does need to be set up so people don't get lost trying to get out of those metro screens. The GUI does need to be changed a bit - but the overall OS isn't met with anything like the hostility some people on this Forum seem to have for it.

Cheers
jimbo

Well said Jimbo.

Although I think the main problem is the author feels that because Metro Apps are there, he has to use them. As a result, the whole OS gets slated because of Metro Apps, when in reality he could just ignore Metro Apps. To be fair, although I don't mind the Start Page, I don't like Metro Apps either and so just stick with normal desktop applications.
 

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Hi there

Yawn, Yawn , Mega more Yawn.
Forbes and his ilk are just as worthless as Gartner etc.

For instance he says He doesn't like Windows 7 either -- please note Ray8 -- so if he's a colleague of yours what do you feel about W7 or should we all stick with XP.

Another issue - he says touch is FORCED on to users --you don't have to get ANYWHERE near touch if you don't want to .
And the most BOVINE remark of all -- Users will be forced to change the way they work -- well if set up properly --especially in a Workplace environment where most apps are probably pinned to the desktop / quick launch bar - users barely have to change ANYTHING.

If this article is written by a technical guy -- well it doesn't say much for their experience with ACTUAL USERS or even how users work in an office etc.

I think you can safely IGNORE all those articles by so called "experts".

If person A doesn't like it that's his / her prerogative. I can well imagine how someone used to Windows 3.11 won't like it.

IMO even at work the guys who seem to be most afraid of using new technology seem to be the I.T admins who take great pleasure in having loads of text based consoles covered with all sorts of scripts that make the old Egyptian symbols in the Valley of Kings look like a kindergarten ABC. (I suppose the IT guys realize it'll probably make their jobs more difficult - but that IMO isn't a valid excuse for using new technology if it makes the END USERS job easier).

Most of the people I've shown it to quite like it actually - even people used to previous versions of Windows -- but W8 does need to be set up so people don't get lost trying to get out of those metro screens. The GUI does need to be changed a bit - but the overall OS isn't met with anything like the hostility some people on this Forum seem to have for it.

Cheers
jimbo

Well said Jimbo.

Although I think the main problem is the author feels that because Metro Apps are there, he has to use them. As a result, the whole OS gets slated because of Metro Apps, when in reality he could just ignore Metro Apps. To be fair, although I don't mind the Start Page, I don't like Metro Apps either and so just stick with normal desktop applications.
The trouble is some people just feel that one second of looking at the Start Screen, the MPI, is just the most horrible experience in their lives, strange but true. And not having the Start Menu well that's even worse even though a lot of people never even used it.
 

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The author's general point is widely held.

MS have a problem. A lot of people do not like what MS are offereing.

The author hopes Blue ( or whatever they call it ) will improve the situation.

When he says 99% it is obvious to anyone not dead from the neck up that he using it in the conversational sense.

It isn't hard to understand.
 

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The author's general point is widely held.

MS have a problem. A lot of people do not like what MS are offereing.

The author hopes Blue ( or whatever they call it ) will improve the situation.

When he says 99% it is obvious to anyone not dead from the neck up that he using it in the conversational sense.

It isn't hard to understand.


Hi there
The corollary to this is that the Author's point is ALSO Widely NOT held as well. If it were I doubt whether any more than 3 people would ever be using this Forum.

The fact that he also says he doesn't like Windows 7 would surely question the authors opinion on ANYTHING to do with Windows -- How far back does he have to go to find a Windows he DOES like. Windows NT perhaps - which probably required a DOCTORATE in computer science to get ANY application installed and working -- totally not suitable for a typical desktop user.

We all know there are bits and pieces that could improve the OS - but it's easy enough to use - and if you get rid of the Metro apps you don't want and sort the tiles out you hardly ever have to look at the start screen - in fact just get rid of EVERYTHING except two tiles -- Desktop and one application that you usually start so that application will launch the desktop and the application -- then you never have to see the start screen again if you don't want (at least until the next boot).


Create a Programs toolbar -- works fine -- with your favourite applications -- and I find the SEARCH is far better than windows 7 or earlier versions -- simply go to the start screen and start typing what you want -application will appear if found - just click it. It's a lot easier than hunting for stuff in a Classical menu.

Also is clicking a toolbar which gives an almost "Classic Menu" experience such a hard thing to do -- I actually prefer working this way than having everything on the old classic menu anyway --this way you can break up sections into things convenient to you.

I didn't see any of this type of stuff in the article or how a lot of short cut keys make the whole operation of W8 quite reasonable.

However as far as some people are concerned = it's probably flogging a dead horse -- there's none so blind as those who refuse to see. Some folk are just going to say - I don't like it --End of. They aren't going to use it or whatever. OK that's up to them but for others there are LOADS of simple ways to enhance the usefulness of W8 for "Classical desktop working" and none of them really take long to do.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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Good, when you talk about engineering then I will listen.

Why was VISTA universally loathed when in fact it looks almost identical to W7 (or the other way around). - Change a few things like the stupid UAC Vista had and improve performance a bit and everybody is raving about W7 which is essentially a "Vista Mk II" -- hardly a mega change from the developers (i.e Ms's) point of view.

I don't think it would be technologically difficult for MS to make it more palatable to the public.

They need to understand what the dealbreakers are, and they need to be prepared to fix them.

There are any number of things they could do.

They might make a serious attempt to get their existing users behind them.

Or they might just press ahead in the hope they can use their monopoly power to push through what they want.

Or they might make it so cheap - people will buy it and just put up with it.

It might be a fudge with elements of all those.
 

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Good, when you talk about engineering then I will listen.

Why was VISTA universally loathed when in fact it looks almost identical to W7 (or the other way around). - Change a few things like the stupid UAC Vista had and improve performance a bit and everybody is raving about W7 which is essentially a "Vista Mk II" -- hardly a mega change from the developers (i.e Ms's) point of view.

I don't think it would be technologically difficult for MS to make it more palatable to the public.

They need to understand what the dealbreakers are, and they need to be prepared to fix them.

There are any number of things they could do.

They might make a serious attempt to get their existing users behind them.

Or they might just press ahead in the hope they can use their monopoly power to push through what they want.

Or they might make it so cheap - people will buy it and just put up with it.

It might be a fudge with elements of all those.

It sure looks like Window Blue is more of the same thing that we loath about Window 8.

Windows Blue to Feature a New Start Screen, IE11 ? Leaked Screenshot Gallery - Softpedia
 

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Since I can't access the Forbes article and have no association with the author, contrary to the alternate reality spokesperson/s, I don't know what he/she has said; however, by the subsequent posts, it appears that it's about the MPI (Mobile Phone Interface) and its lack of functionality on a desktop. There is no doubt that the majority of people do not like the MPI in a desktop environment, as evidenced by threads and posts on this forum, and the constant problems people appear to be having with the MPI.

I don't think I've read one tech article that lauds the MPI in a desktop environment, but I have read many criticisms. But then, the alternate reality spokesperson/s with try and suggest that it's because these authors know nothing, haven't given it a go, are Apple/Android shills, are Microsoft haters and potentially non-human (that last one is a joke). The three on this forum who think that the MPI is the duck's guts, better get used to a rising chorus of discontent from Microsoft users the world over.
 

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....it appears that it's about the MPI (Mobile Phone Interface) and its lack of functionality on a desktop. There is no doubt that the majority of people do not like the MPI in a desktop environment

The MPI as you call it, is the metro? yes... Primarily, it does not function on the desktop as it pages out to a separate screen. Functions are called from the metro that execute on the desktop but the desktop itself in Windows 8 is not an environment (UI).

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When on the desktop, you can put the hand at the top of the screen and close it.
It may be just paged out to memory, but one cannot close the metro.
3rd party metro blockers (start menus) are actually a hack of the system design.
 

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....it appears that it's about the MPI (Mobile Phone Interface) and its lack of functionality on a desktop. There is no doubt that the majority of people do not like the MPI in a desktop environment

The MPI as you call it, is the metro? yes... Primarily, it does not function on the desktop as it pages out to a separate screen. Functions are called from the metro that execute on the desktop but the desktop itself in Windows 8 is not an environment (UI).

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When on the desktop, you can put the hand at the top of the screen and close it.

Yes, I'm referring to the Metro/Modern/Start Menu (whatever it's currently called), hence the MPI.

I know exactly how to use the MPI, as do all the other critics; that's not the issue. The issue is that it's not a functional user interface on a desktop, it's a one screen or nothing environment and in no way adds functionality for the traditional desktop user.

The only saving grace is that bright software developers, like Stardock, also realise that the MPI is a dog's breakfast and are working on a fix with ModernMix. ModernMix is so bleeding obvious that it beggars belief that it was not implemented from the outset (the same applies to Start8/Classic Shell/etc).
 

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The three on this forum who think that the MPI is the duck's guts, better get used to a rising chorus of discontent from Microsoft users the world over.

I am willing to adapt to the next phase. When I, for a time used Windows 7, my constant effort was to seek shell replacements.

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....it appears that it's about the MPI (Mobile Phone Interface) and its lack of functionality on a desktop. There is no doubt that the majority of people do not like the MPI in a desktop environment

The MPI as you call it, is the metro? yes... Primarily, it does not function on the desktop as it pages out to a separate screen. Functions are called from the metro that execute on the desktop but the desktop itself in Windows 8 is not an environment (UI).

View attachment 18906

When on the desktop, you can put the hand at the top of the screen and close it.

Yes, I'm referring to the Metro/Modern/Start Menu (whatever it's currently called), hence the MPI.

I know exactly how to use the MPI, as do all the other critics; that's not the issue. The issue is that it's not a functional user interface on a desktop, it's a one screen or nothing environment and in no way adds functionality for the traditional desktop user.

The only saving grace is that bright software developers, like Stardock, also realise that the MPI is a dog's breakfast and are working on a fix with ModernMix. ModernMix is so bleeding obvious that it beggars belief that it was not implemented from the outset (the same applies to Start8/Classic Shell/etc).

As my grandmother used to say: "Oh for lamb's sake!" You mean to tell me people actually pay money for something that users hardly ever used?
 

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Yes, I'm referring to the Metro/Modern/Start Menu (whatever it's currently called), hence the MPI.

I know exactly how to use the MPI, as do all the other critics; that's not the issue. The issue is that it's not a functional user interface on a desktop, it's a one screen or nothing environment and in no way adds functionality for the traditional desktop user.

The only saving grace is that bright software developers, like Stardock, also realise that the MPI is a dog's breakfast and are working on a fix with ModernMix. ModernMix is so bleeding obvious that it beggars belief that it was not implemented from the outset (the same applies to Start8/Classic Shell/etc).

I have tried ModernMix and it is, IMO, not very practical. The immersive apps do not always fit well into a resizable window which they were never designed to do. Separate paging and multi tasking using the edge UI is how metro is supposed to function, not in resizable windows.

...it's a one screen or nothing environment and in no way adds functionality for the traditional desktop user...

How is it a nothing environment? Lot's of folks, now, have their systems partially disabled with start menu metro blockers and don't even use the system as it was designed. Metro is not currently configured for copy and paste multi tasking but simply moving from view to view could not be easier IMO.
 

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There are immersive apps in the store that are fully functional file explorers and have full copy and paste functionality.
Last time I checked, there are over 5000 apps out there. I don't have the time to review their capabilities.
 

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