PCs learn new tricks, but can tablet/notebook hybrids resc

PCs learn new tricks, but can tablet/notebook hybrids rescue Windows 8?

Summary: What does a PC maker do when the PC market is shrinking and demand for tablets is exploding? One option is to design hybrid PCs, which can switch from conventional PC to tablet and back again. In this post, I look at clever hybrid devices from Samsung, Dell, and HP.

By Ed Bott for The Ed Bott Report
March 13, 2013 -- 01:00 GMT (18:00 PDT)

No, the PC industry isn’t vanishing anytime soon. But it has reached a level of maturity where year-over-year growth in sales has stalled, and most new purchases are replacements.

Devices that we traditionally think of as PCs - towers, all-in-ones, and clamshell-style laptops with a keyboard and pointing device - are still selling by the hundreds of millions every year. After decades of steady growth, however, those numbers are now declining year over year, as consumers (and to a lesser extent businesses) choose tablets and smartphones as secondary devices instead of buying an additional PC.

The net effect? The overall population of computing devices is expanding tremendously, with the mix shifting toward devices that are more mobile and require less management.

That’s the environment into which Microsoft released Windows 8 last fall. In a world where mobility is king, the single most important feature is the ability to work well as a tablet, when a touchscreen is the only input device. For this new generation, Microsoft and its partners are betting you want that same device to workas a PC when conventional input devices (and maybe a large monitor) are available.

It’s a bold attempt to redefine the PC. These new hybrid devices have the innards of a conventional PC, making them compatible with existing software and peripherals, while still being capable of acting like tablets.

Microsoft’s vision of this dual-purpose device is the Surface Pro, which can go from tablet to full-strength PC with a click of its innovative keyboard/cover combos. But it’s not the only competitor in this new hybrid category.

Last September, at the giant IFA tradeshow in Berlin, I saw three hybrid devices from three of the world’s largest PC OEMs. Each one tries to tackle the same problem as the Surface Pro, with very different design decisions. For the past month, I’ve been using the final, production versions of these three machines in real-world work settings.

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Those tablet top AIO PCs are kind of weird, kind of cool, and shouldn't have a mechanical hard drive. I played around with the Sony Tap 20 AIO PC, pretty cool though! It's weird to basically carry around a 20 inch tablet, plop it on top of a desktop, then fold it down flat and use it on top of a table. It's crazy weird.

Very interesting though, it could definitely ignite some demand.

But I have to say, it REALLY annoys me when journalists or whatever refer to desktops as PCs and laptops and tablets running Windows as two different things. No, if it's running Windows, it is a PC, simple as that, regardless of form factor.
 

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The XPS 12 is a very nice ultrabook, I have mine equipped just like the one in the article. My only gripe with it is the fan noise, I had my fan replaced thinking there was a fan problem but it made no difference.
 

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That's likely from being in too confined a space where any sound is amplified to some extent as well as a solid type rattle over a full desktop where there's a lot more air space to absorb or cushion sound from fans. There isn't much that can be done unfortunately. :(

As for tablets, smart books, netbooks, etc. those all fall under hand held mobile or portable while desktops and laptops are the usual set up as desktop with external displays and keyboards, mice at times. Someone who lacks space for a full atx case will often add the extras onto a laptop as well as run it with the ac adapter as a workstation. That becomes their home pc.
 

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Those tablet top AIO PCs are kind of weird, kind of cool, and shouldn't have a mechanical hard drive. I played around with the Sony Tap 20 AIO PC, pretty cool though! It's weird to basically carry around a 20 inch tablet, plop it on top of a desktop, then fold it down flat and use it on top of a table. It's crazy weird.

Very interesting though, it could definitely ignite some demand.

But I have to say, it REALLY annoys me when journalists or whatever refer to desktops as PCs and laptops and tablets running Windows as two different things. No, if it's running Windows, it is a PC, simple as that, regardless of form factor.

Hi there
What about a Smart Windows 8 phone connected to a LARGE LCD Monitor using a blue tooth keyboard -- Is that a PC -- to all intents and purposes it probably is but I suppose the Mouse functionality is missing unless you could have a blue tooth mouse as well.

Touch wouldn't be possible since you would be working on the external screen only with the HDMI adapter.

Still with the power of some decent smart phones processors you'd probably get a BETTER performance this way than using usually a less than state of the art Corporate or work PC.

My main gripe is the COST of the surface PRO -- It doesn't bring anything to the table that my incredibly light and portable ACER aspire 11 inch laptop doesn't and the laptop is several hundred dollars cheaper --especially if you include the cost of the physical folding keyboard for the Surface Pro. Portability is comparable for the two devices-- the main difference on the PC you open a lid -- but on a docking station you don't even need to do that. OK the tablet is thinner -- not really significantly in any case and possibly looks more attractive to people wanting to steal things --there isn't a huge market for used / stolen laptops unless they are really ultimate top of the line Ultrabooks.

For Work and the stuff I do the smaller i3 processor in the laptop is just fine -- and it consumes less power -- so longer battery life - and its simple also to swap the battery if required --try doing that on a Tablet or change the HDD or fit a larger SSD or even add more RAM.

(I could actually get a SECOND laptop and still have paid less in total for the TWO laptops than for the Surface pro plus keyboard).

Cheers
jimbo
 

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Good analogy! I doubt you can actually do much as far as upgrading memory in a tablet, smart book, or netbook for that matter. At least with a laptop or netbook you can choose the OS while smart books, Windows phones, and other similar devices tend to see embedded OSs which can be quite limited at times when comparing prices overall.

Replacing hard drives as well as optical drives not found on tablets and smart books is another reason a laptop would be preferred as well as seeing a larger display. It''s still easier to connect an external lcd as well as keyboard and mouse or keyboard/mouse combo any laptop over the constant need for replacing or recharging batteries on blue tooth devices.

If I simply let the blue tooth headset or ear piece for a cell phone sit around long enough when not being used the charge dies anyways! Recharge every time I plan on using either of the two there! :rolleyes: I cam imagine the charge on a blue tooth keyboard/mouse or touchpad combo would decharge even faster in some cases!
 

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Did you see those prices. $1700 for the Dell device that is a lot less powerful than my $800 Dell XPS 8300 with a 3.6GHz i7, an SSD plus a 500GB HDD, a powerful graphics card, eSata, USB3 and the whole 9 yards. This 'thing' is a real rip-off - hinged screen or not.

Yes I have no touch and I cannot carry it around, but for that I have my Nexus 7 for $230 - that's a lot more convenient for on the go.

I wonder who is really going to buy this stuff.
 

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Did you see those prices. $1700 for the Dell device that is a lot less powerful than my $800 Dell XPS 8300 with a 3.6GHz i7, an SSD plus a 500GB HDD, a powerful graphics card, eSata, USB3 and the whole 9 yards. This 'thing' is a real rip-off - hinged screen or not.

Yes I have no touch and I cannot carry it around, but for that I have my Nexus 7 for $230 - that's a lot more convenient for on the go.

I wonder who is really going to buy this stuff.

Not people for whom a pure tablet will do.

Something like a Surface Pro is bought primarily as a laptop to take your work mobile, first and foremost. That you don't have to shell out an extra $230 for a tablet is just the gravy.

Oh.. and its 2lb and can go anywhere.
 

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That seems like a drab financial purchase to buy an 800 dollar PC, then a 230 dollar phablet and then have to carry two devices around with you. Or even start using the less expensive of the two devices more than the other, it made the 800 dollar PC effectively pointless when a phablet can do those things somewhat ok. Wouldn't it make better sense to combine the two capabilities in a nice tablet PC that costs less?

That's just my two cents, well spent I should say...
 

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There are tablets and then there are Tablet PCs depending on what you want to spend! $$$$$$$ !!!!

In comparisons between laptops and Tablet PCs where both can be carried around but depend on battery life over actual dunctionality laptops tend to suffer having a max of 4hrs. averaging a few hours compared to the 6hrs. offered by the tablet. That was pointed out in one blog before 8 even arrived last summer. Tablet PC VS. Traditional PC

It still depends on what you actually need versus convenience with any portable unit. There isn't any comparison to be made with a desktop since you can expand indefinitely on what a desktop is capable of adding new devices, increasing storage, upgrading each hardware while a portable is self contained with only certain items being replacable to begin with like upping memory a little or swapping out the single drive when possible. With a laptop you can add in a separate video or sound card on many models to get past the onboard limitations seen with integrated this or that.

The first obvious thing however when selectively shopping for something in one category alone however is reading the reviews! A good review will compare a good number of makes and models to look over like the one seen at 2013 Best Tablet PC Comparison and Reviews
 

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That seems like a drab financial purchase to buy an 800 dollar PC, then a 230 dollar phablet and then have to carry two devices around with you. Or even start using the less expensive of the two devices more than the other, it made the 800 dollar PC effectively pointless when a phablet can do those things somewhat ok. Wouldn't it make better sense to combine the two capabilities in a nice tablet PC that costs less?

That's just my two cents, well spent I should say...

One thing I do tend to like is the severe amount of choice in the market.

Nice progression:

PC
PC - Laptop
PC - Laptop - Phone
PC - Laptop - Tablet - Phone
PC - Laptop - Laptop/Tablet - Tablet - Tablet/Phone - Phone

So we've gone from 1 to 6 distinctly different product lines, each of which tbh has its market of people who want THAT(ambiguous) to fit their needs. 4 of those introduced in the last 6 years. And apparently Apple and Google have 7(Glasses) and 8(Watch) coming at the end of the year.

I'm half expecting someone to figure out a way of trying to sell commerical rackspace and then your own server room to the public lol.

I actually think we've almost gotten to the point where people will really start to care about which specific devices they have and need(now that they're all available) and you'll start to see individual lines of growth start to taper down with overall growth continuing to rise.

It really is just a matter of what do you need to do, and what form factor you like to do it in. For me, I'll pretty much be PC, Laptop/Tablet for the foreseeable future.. i don't have a need for any of the rest. But then, I work and play games off the PC.. use the Laptop/Tablet to take work mobile, and really don't have a need for any of the rest. Your mileage may vary.
 

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You did forget that there have been PDAs around for some time, which kind of overlap all of those devices.
 

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You did forget that there have been PDAs around for some time, which kind of overlap all of those devices.
PDAs are great.:(
 

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Feel the love:

pda.jpg

I actually have/had one lying around.
 

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Those tablet top AIO PCs are kind of weird, kind of cool, and shouldn't have a mechanical hard drive. I played around with the Sony Tap 20 AIO PC, pretty cool though! It's weird to basically carry around a 20 inch tablet, plop it on top of a desktop, then fold it down flat and use it on top of a table. It's crazy weird.

Very interesting though, it could definitely ignite some demand.

But I have to say, it REALLY annoys me when journalists or whatever refer to desktops as PCs and laptops and tablets running Windows as two different things. No, if it's running Windows, it is a PC, simple as that, regardless of form factor.

I wouldn't mind having one of those in my bedroom to replace my media PC. Providing you could put a TV Tuner card in it or it had some way to connect it to my digital box to watch TV on it. For economic reasons I repurposed my spare desktop PC. It does the job but its a little more cluttered than I'd like. I'm a chronic pain sufferer so having a way to watch TV etc when I'm laid up in bed is a relief for me. It's not something I can ever see me wanting to use as a regular PC though.
 

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You did forget that there have been PDAs around for some time, which kind of overlap all of those devices.
PDAs are great.:(

Just not very popular and is fully swallowed up by the iphone.

And frankly.. i forgot the e-reader... which is steadily getting swallowed up as a combo with the Tablet.

PC - Laptop - Laptop/Tablet - Tablet - Tablet/E-Reader - E-Reader
------------------------------------------ Tablet/Phone - Phone
 

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That seems like a drab financial purchase to buy an 800 dollar PC, then a 230 dollar phablet and then have to carry two devices around with you. Or even start using the less expensive of the two devices more than the other, it made the 800 dollar PC effectively pointless when a phablet can do those things somewhat ok. Wouldn't it make better sense to combine the two capabilities in a nice tablet PC that costs less?

That's just my two cents, well spent I should say...
What you say makes no sense at all. Who want's to do any work on a flimsy 10" screen with substandard hardware behind it. There is no comparison to a powerful desktop with a 22" screen. The mobile i-processors are not performing like the desktop models.

My tablets requirements are complety different. I need it for navigation, phone calls, music and videos on the road, checking mail, and some other non-vital stuff. It has to fit into my jacket pocket and must not cost much.
 

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That seems like a drab financial purchase to buy an 800 dollar PC, then a 230 dollar phablet and then have to carry two devices around with you. Or even start using the less expensive of the two devices more than the other, it made the 800 dollar PC effectively pointless when a phablet can do those things somewhat ok. Wouldn't it make better sense to combine the two capabilities in a nice tablet PC that costs less?

That's just my two cents, well spent I should say...
What you say makes no sense at all. Who want's to do any work on a flimsy 10" screen with substandard hardware behind it. There is no comparison to a powerful desktop with a 22" screen. The mobile i-processors are not performing like the desktop models.

My tablets requirements are complety different. I need it for navigation, phone calls, music and videos on the road, checking mail, and some other non-vital stuff. It has to fit into my jacket pocket and must not cost much.

Other people need to actually do work in a mobile setting. They can't just goof off and call it good. And even a 15" laptop can often be cumbersome. A 2lb full Windows 8 machine they can take anywhere and use as a tablet when they need to. And it isn't an either/or. Most people that have a SP, have a PC. They'd work on the PC when at home for all the speed and monitor improvements that gives, and then on the SP while on the road or at another office(unless you like to carry your tower on your back or something, it aint portable). It all comes down to what you need and there are plenty of people for whom the SP makes perfect sense.

Even going with a 15" laptop means that you add 2.5x-3x (5-6 lbs.) the weight of a Surface Pro, not including the overall physical size increase. And most people, unless you run high-end tools with some type of rendering or calculation engine.. won't even notice the difference in speed between a SP, laptop, or a full workstation. Office, and a lot of other workplace tools, simply do not push the chip envelope or anywhere close to it.
 

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No disagreement. Different people have different needs. For my needs, my setup works best. And if I really need more than my Nexus 7 for on the road, I take one of my laptops. For me, 'on the road' usually meand travelling with the car. So weight is no problem. But on the plane or walking thru town trying to find a place, the N7 is much better for navigation.
 

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