I don't know how I missed this thread. Oh well. So on page 12 of this thread we have people mentioning the OEM's are trying to ramp up hardware to meet Microsofts requirements. Microsoft are blaming the OEM's for the loss of sales. If you really want to know whats going on just read Microsofts own document called Windows Hardware Certification Requirements for Client and Server Systems found here: Windows Hardware Certification Requirements for Client and Server Systems
It reads as a roadmap for How to alienate and estrange your OEM partners. Pay attention to all the things marked Mandatory. OEM's are struggling to implement all these ideas, many of them very new such as the UEFI requirements. Code is buggy as hell and hasn't been tested for these new things properly with large numbers of people on different systems in real world applications. Both Microsoft and the OEM's are at fault. Microsoft for forcing their partners to measure up to very high almost unrealistic expectations and OEM's for agreeing to do this work when they were not ready for it.
Consumers have been spoiled over the years by having PC you can do anything you wish with. Now, in the case of Windows 8 ARM tablets and the problems people are having with UEFI on non ARM systems people are finding they cannot use their PC as they were once able to. This info is spreading like wildfire across the net and consumers are listening. Consumers are mad as hell and are choosing to buy systems that assure they will have complete control over how they use the system (hardware). Hopefully both Microsoft and OEM's will learn hard lessons and adjust accordingly so we wont have such problems with the next release of Windows.
not sure what sort of "Consumers" you are talking about.
Most people I know just want a "Computer" that does most of the "usual suspects" -- surf, social networking, email office maybe, multi-media, and printing.
They really couldn't be bothered even if it were running "Micky Mouse" OS -- they want essentially a "Turnkey" (although to some windows is a Turkey) system that just works.
Whatever detractors there are of windows out there - I'll bet that no other OS exists where on the whole you can just simply plug any sort of hardware in to it - possibly with a manufacturers disk - but increasingly these days Windows can just search the net and find a driver- and it just works.
Linux is fine bit in general it's not (and wasn't designed for that purpose) a straight OOBE. Just browse any Linux forum and there's all sorts of complex code out there for making devices work -- your average joe is never going to "Compile a kernel" in a million years.
If PC's are not selling it's absolutely 100% NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS / UEFI or whatever. There are other devices out there making for some people the whole use of a PC redundant, and those that already have PC's probably have quite decent hardware so why do they need to buy another one.
In fact if you look at some posts on this very Forum many people have got very successfully old PENTIUM IV computers (and some even older ones) running W8 very efficiently -- probably running W8 better than the old XP / W2K systems they originally had on those computers - especially if fitted with an SSD. (You can get an SSD to connect to an IDE device - simply use SATA ==>IDE connector and connect to MOBO).
I've myself retired 2 workstation type computers (now running purely as servers one a W2K3 server and the other a Linux SUSE one) and can't see myself back into the PC market anytime soon -- and this is NOTHING to do with windows (any version).
I really don't understand where some of these stats come from -- not that useless GARTNER agency again. The reason for PC sales decline is OBVIOUS. -- Just tell me any market which has reached saturation point where new sales are anything like the initial flurry. The upgrade / replacement market is tiny usually compared with the initial growth period and how businesses fail to recognize that is just beyond me.
To many grads doing "Business studies" out of books rather than going out and analysing what's happening in the REAL MARKET.
Such as, Apple? I can guarantee you (without going and looking) all the exact verbiage, or extremely close, is in their own docs.
Not to mention ChromeOS, Android, BlackBerry, Palm, Calculators, Motorola, etc etc etc etc.
If UEFI is having that many problems on BRAND NEW hardware, it will be found out and figured out and worked out.
If it is on older Hardware, where UEFI is supported, but BIOS as well, well, you are just on your own to figure it out
and quite possibly, MAybe the manufacturers didn't follow certain guidelines exactly, You know, like a million programmers did through XP days and their stuff stopped working when Loop Holes they weren't supposed to be using were closed up in Vista and 7.
You guys are missing the point. There is a very large number of Windows users that also dual boot Linux and other operating systems. It is those people who do want PC's that they can run other operating systems on and they are putting a dent in sales of systems that come preinstalled with Windows 8. This is where Surface tablets ( ARM systems that must adhere to Windows Hardware Certification Requirements for Client and Server Systems and cannot dual boot at all) and UEFI problems fails them. Just spend some time looking over the forums of non Microsoft operating systems. Tons of people are pissed about this and refuse to buy a preinstalled Windows 8 system. Many organizations like the Free Software Foundation advocate this to their many thousands of members. They tell them of these things and to not buy Windows machines. This post for example Free Software Foundation recommendations for free operating system distributions considering Secure Boot — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software and this one Update on the effort to defeat Restricted Boot — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software where "48 organizations and over 37,000 people" have signed the Stand up for your Freedom to install Free Software - Stand up for your freedom to install free software — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software. Using Linux is no longer a novelty. it's mainstream and people want the ability to have choices with their hardware. Granted sales of systems like I Phones that effectively replace the PC play a part, users of other operating systems play their fair share too. With ARM tablets and UEFI problems people cant dual or triple boot like that have been used to doing for years. All this adds up to lost sales.
Hi Dark rider
I think it's YOU who is missing the point -- those Linux users etc are NOT the typical "Normal users" and are in fact quite a small (and decreasing) subset of the whole gamut of PC users.
These people anyway are more knowledgeable of computers in general and aren't likely to allow a "challenging OS" to put them off their purchases. Many of them are also hobbyists and probably relish the challenge in any case and a lot design and custom build their own rigs.
What some people don't seem to realize is that the ENTIRE market for PC's as we know them (and for similar products from our favourite "Fruit company too") is for all sorts of reasons --NOT RELATED TO THE OS is declining.
Even people like me can go for days at a time not even LOOKING at a PC -- a lot of non work stuff I need to do doesn't require the use of a full blown PC anymore -- I can even copy and Print a lot of stuff without even having the computer switched on -- just print directly to a network printer from your phone for example.
It's no use flogging a dead horse -- W8 will be OK -- W9 will be better and W7 will continue for a while probably becoming the "XP" equivalent in today's world.
In 5 years time for example who KNOWS what sort of devices we might be using then.
Why fall out over what is a no issue? Everybody sees things differently. I would imagine most of you understand a lot more than me, but I know a lot more on other things than you, so whats the problem. Slagging people off is counterproductive, it gets peoples backs up and, later, when help is required, they are ignored or blocked. I like win 8, my daughter (who shares my pc) does not. Once customised, its a breeze. We dont argue about it though. Come on, live and LET LIVE.