Rumor: Microsoft preparing 3 new Surface tablets for 2013

Lee · Dec 5, 2012

Interesting. . .14.6" if includes the keyboard it would maybe worth looking at; can you say Laptop. . .

Brink · Dec 5, 2012

I'd like to see how they compare with the newer Windows 8 convertible laptops.

Coke Robot · Dec 6, 2012

What's really peaking my interest is the rumored AMD APU for the Surface Pro 2, which has better graphics power, which is best for Windows 8 with its apps and everything else on the high end of Desktop software.

Also, an 11 inch screen sounds REAL nice, probably the real sweet spot for a tablet PC. This is making me wait it out for a year on purchasing a Surface tablet, since I don't have a legitimate for one until a year from now.

Lee · Dec 6, 2012

Brink said:
I'd like to see how they compare with the newer Windows 8 convertible laptops.

That would be interesting. . .

alphanumeric · Dec 6, 2012

Coke Robot said:
What's really peaking my interest is the rumored AMD APU for the Surface Pro 2, which has better graphics power, which is best for Windows 8 with its apps and everything else on the high end of Desktop software.

Also, an 11 inch screen sounds REAL nice, probably the real sweet spot for a tablet PC. This is making me wait it out for a year on purchasing a Surface tablet, since I don't have a legitimate for one until a year from now.

+1 to that, being an AMD fan I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one of those for a look see. I likely can't afford any of them on my limited income but it's still nice to know there are options. Pricing will as always be interesting.

gazz9496 · Dec 10, 2012

aren't amd going to be integrating arm architechture on their dye as well as the x86 from next year as well?

read that somewhere...can't remember where now.

well here's a link to it an article on it anway.(not the one i read but close enough)
AMD will integrate ARM processors in its 2013 x86 APUs | The Verge

with this addition to amd chips, surface style tablets will be able to run both arm based store apps and x86 applications.
and i should have read that article.....just security lol, ah well there goes a great opportunity to have cross platform applications on one device.

HippsieGypsie · Dec 10, 2012

Interesting indeed. MS trying to take another couple of stabs at the pad market. Killing them (OEMs) softly I think the parallels the song.

robinb9 · Dec 10, 2012

I would surely like to see these when they come out

Coke Robot · Dec 11, 2012

And ARM processor in an AMD APU....well then that WILL be an Advanced Processing Unit!

I don't know, it sounds iffy. They would have to develop it as a hybrid unit, where it's function is mostly ARM (for battery life) and turning on the x86 half to run Desktop software and shut off or sleep afterwards. Seems interesting....

Is it me, or are the ipad mini commercials basically insinuating that you have to buy a full sized ipad, and THEN buy an ipad mini to take good advantage of it? I don't get why they'd make commercials showing the ipad mini, is just a mini ipad. It's in the name....

dirtyvu · Dec 11, 2012

the ARM in the upcoming AMD chip is for security purposes, not as a general processor.

an AMD chip would be really interesting in this field because that's what iPads and other tablets do. they pair a strong GPU with a weak CPU.

any x64 class AMD CPU would wipe the floor with any ARM processor and the AMD GPU would also kill. it's just curious why AMD can't compete in this field. the most likely reason is AMD cannot subsidize this area like how Intel subsidizes the low end market with their high end products.

gazz9496 said:
aren't amd going to be integrating arm architechture on their dye as well as the x86 from next year as well?

read that somewhere...can't remember where now.

well here's a link to it an article on it anway.(not the one i read but close enough)
AMD will integrate ARM processors in its 2013 x86 APUs | The Verge

with this addition to amd chips, surface style tablets will be able to run both arm based store apps and x86 applications.
and i should have read that article.....just security lol, ah well there goes a great opportunity to have cross platform applications on one device.

Coke Robot · Dec 11, 2012

dirtyvu said:
the ARM in the upcoming AMD chip is for security purposes, not as a general processor.

an AMD chip would be really interesting in this field because that's what iPads and other tablets do. they pair a strong GPU with a weak CPU.

any x64 class AMD CPU would wipe the floor with any ARM processor and the AMD GPU would also kill. it's just curious why AMD can't compete in this field. the most likely reason is AMD cannot subsidize this area like how Intel subsidizes the low end market with their high end products.

gazz9496 said:

aren't amd going to be integrating arm architechture on their dye as well as the x86 from next year as well?

read that somewhere...can't remember where now.

well here's a link to it an article on it anway.(not the one i read but close enough)
AMD will integrate ARM processors in its 2013 x86 APUs | The Verge

with this addition to amd chips, surface style tablets will be able to run both arm based store apps and x86 applications.
and i should have read that article.....just security lol, ah well there goes a great opportunity to have cross platform applications on one device.

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AMD can go down the ARM processing route if they felt like it, an ARM chip with a Radeon graphics chip, THAT would be a neat Windows 8 RT device!

I don't think Intel really subsidizes so much for lower end hardware, they just use the Pentium chip for lower end hardware, or the Atom for lower end/low power PCs. I kind of think AMD is having troubles with the mobile APU because there might not be enough motherboards for the APU to work with different form factors. Or, they're just not advertising it well enough. Shoot, on the desktop, an A10 APU costs less than an i5 and do some real graphical whooping on the i5, which matters for gaming as well as running Windows 8 metro apps as well as GPU enabled Desktop apps. APU powered laptops cost less than their i5 counterparts.

Very curious...

BillWindows · Dec 11, 2012

I've got an iPad Mini it's a pretty useless little thing, it's slow, has WiFi dropouts and awfull resolution. The only good thing about it is that it's light, I only bought it for using on a trip to book hotels and flights and stuff. Now that I'm back home I rarely use it, preferring the iPad 3.
I've got an Android tablet as well, but once the Pros and the new Surface tablets come out I'll be doing some more shopping, I get a bit sick of the limitations of the iPads.

z3r010 · Dec 11, 2012

BillWindows said:
I've got an iPad Mini it's a pretty useless little thing, it's slow, has WiFi dropouts and awfull resolution. The only good thing about it is that it's light, I only bought it for using on a trip to book hotels and flights and stuff. Now that I'm back home I rarely use it, preferring the iPad 3.

Strange my iPad mini suffers from none of those things and I use it as much if not more than my iPad3 due the the weight and comport of holding it.

gazz9496 · Dec 11, 2012

dirtyvu said:
the ARM in the upcoming AMD chip is for security purposes, not as a general processor.

an AMD chip would be really interesting in this field because that's what iPads and other tablets do. they pair a strong GPU with a weak CPU.

any x64 class AMD CPU would wipe the floor with any ARM processor and the AMD GPU would also kill. it's just curious why AMD can't compete in this field. the most likely reason is AMD cannot subsidize this area like how Intel subsidizes the low end market with their high end products.

gazz9496 said:

aren't amd going to be integrating arm architechture on their dye as well as the x86 from next year as well?

read that somewhere...can't remember where now.

well here's a link to it an article on it anway.(not the one i read but close enough)
AMD will integrate ARM processors in its 2013 x86 APUs | The Verge

with this addition to amd chips, surface style tablets will be able to run both arm based store apps and x86 applications.
and i should have read that article.....just security lol, ah well there goes a great opportunity to have cross platform applications on one device.

Click to expand...

yer i did amend that, when i first read about it there was just speculation around what it was going to add, that article covered the more recent news on it, i really should have read it, but i added it in mid post when i was in a rush and didn't read it fully.

sorry for the misunderstanding

Coke Robot · Dec 11, 2012

BillWindows said:
I've got an iPad Mini it's a pretty useless little thing, it's slow, has WiFi dropouts and awfull resolution. The only good thing about it is that it's light, I only bought it for using on a trip to book hotels and flights and stuff. Now that I'm back home I rarely use it, preferring the iPad 3.
I've got an Android tablet as well, but once the Pros and the new Surface tablets come out I'll be doing some more shopping, I get a bit sick of the limitations of the iPads.

Wow, I guess it seems it's not just me!!

BillWindows · Dec 11, 2012

z3r010 said:
BillWindows said:

I've got an iPad Mini it's a pretty useless little thing, it's slow, has WiFi dropouts and awfull resolution. The only good thing about it is that it's light, I only bought it for using on a trip to book hotels and flights and stuff. Now that I'm back home I rarely use it, preferring the iPad 3.

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Strange my iPad mini suffers from none of those things and I use it as much if not more than my iPad3 due the the weight and comport of holding it.

Considering the Mini is built on old Architecture, the iPad 2, it's impossible not to have all those problems, and IOS 6 is well known for WiFi dropouts, maybe you were lucky and got one with an A6 processor

They just rushed the Mini out because they were losing market share, don't get me wrong, it could be a good machine, but this is not it, maybe the next one.

Coke Robot · Dec 11, 2012

I just don't really see why anyone would need or want one. Seriously, it's barely double the size of my Windows Phone's screen, not even double the size of a Lumia 920's screen or any other android 4 handset. It does not compute in my brain, process is not responding.

BillWindows · Dec 12, 2012

Coke Robot said:
I just don't really see why anyone would need or want one. Seriously, it's barely double the size of my Windows Phone's screen, not even double the size of a Lumia 920's screen or any other android 4 handset. It does not compute in my brain, process is not responding.

Even though I'm not wrapped in the iPad Mini, I'm absolutely positive there is demand for devices of this size. I've got a HTC ONE X with 4.7" screen, but I find it just a bit small for some things like web browsing, looking for Hotels and Flights and Maps etc. I think something around this size is great for travelling and probably lots of other things.

The thing is at this size the resolution has to be very good, just like a phone, otherwise it makes it very hard to read, and that's the problem I find with the Mini I can barely make out the writing and after a while my eyes get fatigued. I know I'm not the only one, nearly everyone that's got one complains of the same thing.

I believe even MS is going to bring one out eventually, if they do, they'd better make sure the resolution is spot on or it will be a flop.

Coke Robot · Dec 12, 2012

BillWindows said:
Coke Robot said:

I just don't really see why anyone would need or want one. Seriously, it's barely double the size of my Windows Phone's screen, not even double the size of a Lumia 920's screen or any other android 4 handset. It does not compute in my brain, process is not responding.

Click to expand...

Even though I'm not wrapped in the iPad Mini, I'm absolutely positive there is demand for devices of this size. I've got a HTC ONE X with 4.7" screen, but I find it just a bit small for some things like web browsing, looking for Hotels and Flights and Maps etc. I think something around this size is great for travelling and probably lots of other things.

The thing is at this size the resolution has to be very good, just like a phone, otherwise it makes it very hard to read, and that's the problem I find with the Mini I can barely make out the writing and after a while my eyes get fatigued. I know I'm not the only one, nearly everyone that's got one complains of the same thing.

I believe even MS is going to bring one out eventually, if they do, they'd better make sure the resolution is spot on or it will be a flop.

The Windows Blue update is reportedly going to optimize Windows RT for 7 and 8 inch screens. Maybe then, I'll take keenly on them, as if again, there is full sized USB port and some other neat things, but until then I'm not sold. The ipad mini is literally a slightly better ipod touch and double the screen size. To me, it's just another redundant device. But my question if that happens, how will Office work on a screen so small?

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