Right you are Cokie
Right you are Cokie
Here are my thoughts:
Why upgrade to Windows 8 to make it run like Windows 7? Easy. Windows 8 runs faster, uses less resources, and is more secure.
While I do agree Microsoft has made a few missteps with Windows 8 (removing the Start button, auto pinning installs to Metro) both are easy to deal with. I bought Start8 to get the Start button back, and for those that argue you shouldn't have to buy it I ask, "Do you spend $5 on a coffee from Starbucks, or a value meal from McDonald's? If so, you can poney up the $5 for a piece of software you'll use daily vs a drink or meal that you'll be done with in 30 min." As for the auto pinning of Metro, I just go in and unpin them. Takes 5 sec.
Touch has no business being on desktop. Then don't use touch, and don't use Metro. Simple. While I partially agree touch in its current state really doesn't work on desktop, primarily because I don't want to get fingerprints all over my monitor, a really interesting 3rd party solution is coming out next year. And, if it does well, perhaps other developers will start including them in laptops or on keyboards. That magical device? Leap Motion.
I think folks are missing the point.
So much talk of the individual superficial points.
The real problem is the removal of choice.
It goes much deeper than many people realise.
Even those who quite like the little squares, etc, I would hope will tell MS this is not the way to do it.
We are the customers- we want it to be "our pc".
I am disappointed that so few understand what is going on.
I expected more from computer forum regulars.
And if they didn't push us to the next thing nothing would ever change, because as we get older we get comfortable and set in our ways. If they didn't change we'd still be using DOS or Windows 3.1, and I remind you both caused ripples as well. I suspect as new hardware comes out to take advantage of Windows 8, and that hardware becomes the norm, people will start to appreciate the direction Microsoft is going.
Removing start for 8 was the right thing to do.
I just returned from Best Buy a few minutes ago, and overheard, and watched a couple of people looking at 8 demo models. They asked the salesperson if they could buy one with 8 now, ... the salesperson said they would have to wait for Oct 26. The interested people said, ok, we will return later when we can buy one with 8 on it. Probably just an anomaly...
It's really simple. A start menu can be alpha/numeric or tiles. Some persons prefer tiles, others alpha/numeric.
And while it is true that the original W7 start orb and menu can be added to the desk top via a hack; the question is, when it's so simple to add the orb start menu, what did MS hope to gain by omitting it?
It was no skin off their nose to leave it, so why force the persons who prefer a traditional menu to either use a smartfone/tablet menu or use a hack? Were they deliberately trying to disenchant a significant section of their customers?
In all desktop folders under 'View', they offer a choice of list, icons, tiles, etc. So why not offer a 'list' option for a start menu? Why this lack of choice on desktop?
OK, let's run with the car analogy.
20 years from now the polar caps melt and 50% of the land is covered with water (great idea for a movie, BTW). There is a great need for amphibious vehicles. It is a growing market, as opposed of land-only cars, which most people already have. So the car companies focus primarily on that. And to save costs they build all the vehicles on the same platform. We'll end up with land cars that have rudders, you have to climb up the stairs to get aboard, and you can't go faster than 35 knots (yes, the speedometer is in knots). Is it the right choice for the company? Most likely - they save money by reusing the same technology. Will the consumers be happy? Most likely not. They turn to other alternative manufacturers (Ubunda, Hunix, etc)
Crafty developers will see an opportunity.
A coworker of mine, jumped in head first at work, used his MSDN account and upgraded his Windows 7 Enterprise machine to Windows 8 Enterprise. He's been running it like this since last week.
He said, and I quote ("replacing a few expletives with freak)
"I will say. The search functionality is freaking AMAZING.
Type a phrase, then click the app you want to search with
Protip: Windows+C = Charms Bar
Saves freakassing around with corners.
At the end of the day though
That tiled interface is freaking horrible for desktops.
Windows 8 is going to tank
For anything but tablets.
Eventually people will realize that tablets are garbage for "real" computing though"
On the other hand it costs nothing to include it, and everything to gain. And not only in increased sales, but also it fosters goodwill if nothing else. And with the market economy the way it is, who can't use some extra goodwill?
So the question becomes: What could they possibly hope to gain by omitting something that costs you nothing to include, and which could potentially cost you sales and foster badwill? It just don't compute, if you'll pardon the pun!
Last edited by Mustang; 18 Oct 2012 at 13:04.