Don’t Believe The FUD: Windows 8 Is Much Better Than You Think

DooRules · Oct 15, 2012

Actually, if you load this little baby, you can toss metro, hot corners, and charms bar all in one stroke. W7 explorer for W8, works great.

Windows 7 explorer for Windows 8

lehnerus2000 · Oct 15, 2012

Thanks DooRules

DooRules said:
Actually, if you load this little baby, you can toss metro, hot corners, and charms bar all in one stroke. W7 explorer for W8, works great.

Windows 7 explorer for Windows 8

Thanks for the link DooRules.

I can't try it out as my W8 VHD won't run (since I reinstalled my operating systems).

jimbo45 · Oct 15, 2012

Hi there
C'mon guys -- we've been down this route "Ad Nauseam".

Some people --maybe the majority will actually LIKE the new interface -- but for people who use and install loads of complex apps like the entire adobe CS suite or the complete visual studio package the new interface is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.

Any sort of complex app that has sublevel choices within its main menu needs to have a Hierarchical access level -- this cannot be done with a "One dimensional" infinite left scroll model.

You can "with difficulty" arrange some tiles in a sort of decent way to run these types of applications but it isn't easy, quick or intuitive.

As I said before if you are running essentially simple apps that you don't need a hierarchical structure for -- fine -- but there are those of us who don't use a laptop like a smartphone / tablet --and the current start screen for these scenarios is an unmitigated disaster.

We shouldn't have to rely on 3rd party apps to make BASIC USE of the OS.

Cheers
jimbo

Coke Robot · Oct 15, 2012

I've been looking at the amazon.com reviews of Windows 8 as it's on pre-order right now. So far, there are 17 reviews, and there are like four 1 star reviews. There is even a review by an apple devotee that might actually switch to a PC, Windows Phone, and buy a Surface because of the OS. Every other review is either a four or five star review.

Looks like someone was correct in their assertion that Windows 8 will be well received....

Coke Robot · Oct 15, 2012

jimbo45 said:
Hi there
C'mon guys -- we've been down this route "Ad Nauseam".

Some people --maybe the majority will actually LIKE the new interface -- but for people who use and install loads of complex apps like the entire adobe CS suite or the complete visual studio package the new interface is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.

Any sort of complex app that has sublevel choices within its main menu needs to have a Hierarchical access level -- this cannot be done with a "One dimensional" infinite left scroll model.

You can "with difficulty" arrange some tiles in a sort of decent way to run these types of applications but it isn't easy, quick or intuitive.

As I said before if you are running essentially simple apps that you don't need a hierarchical structure for -- fine -- but there are those of us who don't use a laptop like a smartphone / tablet --and the current start screen for these scenarios is an unmitigated disaster.

We shouldn't have to rely on 3rd party apps to make BASIC USE of the OS.

Cheers
jimbo

I have 50 programs installed on my PC, normally it would be upwards of 80+ programs and games as I don't want to dive too deep in a trial preview. Out of that bunch, I have a few program suites and I take good advantage of the Start Screen and haven't found anything difficult to understand or use about it. In fact, navigating around with a mouse is SOOOO much better than any other version as it's fast and fluid.

I think you might be doing it wrong.

pparks1 · Oct 15, 2012

Reviews on Amazon can be just silly. For example, there is one guy who is a supposed "die hard Linux guy", and this version of Windows is going to convert him because of "out of the box integration", and "social media"? I don't buy it for one second. In fact, most die hard linux guys are probably anti social media, and run their own mail systems and won't settle for an out of the box experience.

I can log into Amazon.com and say that Windows 8 is the greatest thing I have ever seen and that I will run it on every single computer that I run across...but that' doesn't mean it's true. I might just be lying.

Coke Robot · Oct 15, 2012

True, but reviews are reviews. There are some other silly reviews of Windows 8 that claims it's far too confusing to use, it's awful for the desktop, it's the end of the PC....

pparks1 · Oct 15, 2012

Coke Robot said:
True, but reviews are reviews. There are some other silly reviews of Windows 8 that claims it's far too confusing to use, it's awful for the desktop, it's the end of the PC....

Well, some of those have a hint of potential truth in them. A linux die hard though, is most likely nowhere near as much of a diehard as they proclaim to be if a few visual differences are enough to persuade them. It's a religious belief and a matter of principal. There are far more substantial reasons these people have elected to not use a Microsoft product.

mdmd · Oct 15, 2012

jimbo45 said:
but for people who use and install loads of complex apps like the entire adobe CS suite or the complete visual studio package the new interface is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE. Any sort of complex app that has sublevel choices within its main menu needs to have a Hierarchical access level -- this cannot be done with a "One dimensional" infinite left scroll model.
You can "with difficulty" arrange some tiles in a sort of decent way to run these types of applications but it isn't easy, quick or intuitive. As I said before if you are running essentially simple apps that you don't need a hierarchical structure for -- fine -- but there are those of us who don't use a laptop like a smartphone / tablet --and the current start screen for these scenarios is an unmitigated disaster.

OK. So this is a discussion about the article. Even Paul Allen made a brief comment about the new design and questioned why there were not heirarchies. With the following pics, I question which one is easier to use.

Kat · Oct 15, 2012

You DO get used to the 'new' way Win 8 operates.......

I had my brother in stitches the other day.

I was working on his machine (4yo Toshiba laptop with Win 7 32-bit)
and kept slamming the mouse into the bottom left corner, looking for
the right-click 'guts' menu, failing, and getting annoyed.

He wanted to know WTF I was trying to do. (He hasn't tried 8, nor does
he have any desire to).

When I explained, he was impressed, and reckons he'd like it in 7.

I'm trying to get him to try 8 in V-Box....the Toshiba is dying, and if he
replaces it, he'll probably end up with 8 anyway.

SIW2 · Oct 15, 2012

It might do ok on tablets - it might appeal to some Apple users.

That is nothing to do with how I use my desktop machine - it is awful for that.

Locked down, limited, annoying beyond belief.

Fine if you want a smartphone/craplet - that is what win8 is for.

Let us have an o/s for desktop users - that we can use the way we want - it should be OUR PC.

Coke Robot will never grasp it.

Kat · Oct 15, 2012

SIW2 said:
It might do ok on tablets - it might appeal to some Apple users.

That is nothing to do with how I use my desktop machine - it is awful for that.

Locked down, limited, annoying beyond belief.

Fine if you want a smartphone/craplet - that is what win8 is for.

If you're only using Metro, I'd agree.

But, with Classic Start, the Quick-Launch toolbar enabled, and C-S set to
boot through to the desktop, it's every bit as useful and productive as 7.

And it runs everything 7 did and more. I can run with as many windows
open simultaneously as this i7/8GB can handle (and that's a LOT).

I never even SEE the new Start Screen unless I WANT to.

No, I wasn't happy about having to install 3rd-party apps to get
back what I consider to be basic functionality.

But, having now done so, I find 8 to be every bit as good as 7...

Just different.

And no, I didn't like it at all, at first.

mdmd · Oct 15, 2012

SIW2 said:
Let us have an o/s for desktop users - that we can use the way we want - it should be OUR PC.

Geez... My desktop is a traditional set up. ...desktop, taskbar, all apps. It is my pc. Nothing annoying about it. Never used an Apple product. (8) Easiest OS ever.

from the article:

Don’t get me wrong. This isn’t a must-have upgrade. If you’re happy with Windows 7, you don’t need Windows 8

R0bR · Oct 15, 2012

jimbo45 said:
Hi there
C'mon guys -- we've been down this route "Ad Nauseam".

Some people --maybe the majority will actually LIKE the new interface -- but for people who use and install loads of complex apps like the entire adobe CS suite or the complete visual studio package the new interface is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.

Any sort of complex app that has sublevel choices within its main menu needs to have a Hierarchical access level -- this cannot be done with a "One dimensional" infinite left scroll model.

You can "with difficulty" arrange some tiles in a sort of decent way to run these types of applications but it isn't easy, quick or intuitive.

As I said before if you are running essentially simple apps that you don't need a hierarchical structure for -- fine -- but there are those of us who don't use a laptop like a smartphone / tablet --and the current start screen for these scenarios is an unmitigated disaster.

We shouldn't have to rely on 3rd party apps to make BASIC USE of the OS.

Cheers
jimbo

Still don't get it huh? One day maybe.

R0bR · Oct 15, 2012

pparks1 said:
Reviews on Amazon can be just silly.

Forget the Amazon reviews, all you need to do is read the comments for any Windows 8 article, positive or negative, and see the number of people supporting W8. This has changed from practically everyone bashing it to most often many more supporting it and bashing on the haters.

pparks1 · Oct 16, 2012

I have read the reviews and have used Windows 8 pretty extensively. I too changed from saying it was terrible to admitting that it had features and performance and good things going for it. For my desktop and laptop use though, the interface doesn't offer me very much that I'm drawn too and I don't see too many ways that it would benefit me from Windows 7. It comes down to whether or not I want to spend the money to get the upgrade. I'm not inclined to spend money on change simply for the sake of change. And i don't need something new and exciting to figure out. I work on PC's for a living, sometimes I like to just use the technology and then do something else.

legacy7955 · Oct 19, 2012

SIW2 said:

It might do ok on tablets - it might appeal to some Apple users.

That is nothing to do with how I use my desktop machine - it is awful for that.

Locked down, limited, annoying beyond belief.

Fine if you want a smartphone/craplet - that is what win8 is for.

Let us have an o/s for desktop users - that we can use the way we want - it should be OUR PC.

Coke Robot will never grasp it.

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Exactly, MS is just hoping that forcing this metro crap down the general public throat will be tolerated, and I think they are in for one heck of a let down. The reason why is because if MS was so confident in their metro nonsense they would simply have let the USER opt for a boot to desktop or metro.

MS shows their weakness by failing to give that simply choice, there is no reason for them to no offer it......UNLESS THEY KNOW THAT METRO SUCKS AND THE PUBLIC WILL OVERWHELMING RESIST IT if given the option.

MikeFromHC · Oct 20, 2012

Any sort of complex app that has sublevel choices within its main menu needs to have a Hierarchical access level -- this cannot be done with a "One dimensional" infinite left scroll model.

The app itself should provide that choice.
On Win 8 if you are more than two or three levels deep, the faster method is to use the keyboard - and keyboard commands will *always* be faster. Two keystrokes will in most cases limit the choices to a small number of apps and you can select from that list.

You can "with difficulty" arrange some tiles in a sort of decent way to run these types of applications but it isn't easy, quick or intuitive.
o

Dragging and dropping is all that is required to move tiles around.
Dragging a tile to a clear spot and looking for the vertical bar that indicate you are starting a new group is also easy.

As someone who has dragged and dropped an app into the wrong place on a hierarchal menu system more than once I like that better.

Coke Robot · Oct 20, 2012

I don't believe the FUD.

But then again, the changes to Windows don't make a me pessimistic granny protesting in the streets over split milk.

I still have yet to understand the dissent over the UI. If point A to B is still achieved in a proper manner just like it used to, what's the issue? Or the non-issue?

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