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Create Bootable USB or DVD with Windows 8 ISO

  1. #100


    Central West (near Orange) NSW
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    Well my two cents worth if the board supports 3.0 surely it doesn't matter what OS one sticks on it the ports are not dictated to by the OS but I stand to be corrected and there are 3.0 ports on that board SABERTOOTH 990FX - Motherboards - ASUS

    It would be a bit like saying the OS will not support say a CPU of a certain type or bit rate 6Gbs SATA ports for example?? I could of course lost the plot here but.....
    Install USB 3.0 and other USB devices

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  2. #101


    Covington, La
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    Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64BIT


    Quote Originally Posted by ICit2lol View Post
    Well my two cents worth if the board supports 3.0 surely it doesn't matter what OS one sticks on it the ports are not dictated to by the OS but I stand to be corrected and there are 3.0 ports on that board SABERTOOTH 990FX - Motherboards - ASUS

    It would be a bit like saying the OS will not support say a CPU of a certain type or bit rate 6Gbs SATA ports for example?? I could of course lost the plot here but.....
    Install USB 3.0 and other USB devices
    Support for USB3 does depend on the OS because of the drivers supplied. That board uses the ASMedia controller (same as mine)and that driver is not included with Windows 7 but is included with Windows 8. Its like all hardware, the driver is needed and some OS supply them and others you have to add the driver.

    Jim
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  3. #102


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    I stand corrected Jim I thought the drivers were based on the board manufacturers specs and seems rather obtuse that an OS should dictate to the board people what drivers can be used for what they put on their product.

    Suppose to me it seems that if I own a Ford car coloured blue that the engine maker says that I cannot use alloy wheels on it because to do that it has to be red - because!!

    Plus it does seem a tad thoughtless / pedantic of Microsoft for whatever reason as surely they would have the technology to make it compatible with anything
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  4. #103


    Covington, La
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICit2lol View Post
    I stand corrected Jim I thought the drivers were based on the board manufacturers specs and seems rather obtuse that an OS should dictate to the board people what drivers can be used for what they put on their product.

    Suppose to me it seems that if I own a Ford car coloured blue that the engine maker says that I cannot use alloy wheels on it because to do that it has to be red - because!!

    Plus it does seem a tad thoughtless / pedantic of Microsoft for whatever reason as surely they would have the technology to make it compatible with anything
    MS does not write the drivers. For a driver to be included with the OS, the hardware manufactures must summit the driver to MS for testing. Then MS certifies the driver and gives it the WHQL certification and then will include the driver with the OS or as an update through Windows Update. If the manufactures do not want to go through the WHQL certification they can offer their drivers through their web site or a CD with the equipment. When I bought my MB the Windows 7 driver for the ASMedia controller came on a CD. Then when Windows 8 was released that driver was included with the OS.

    Jim
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  5. #104


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    Still sounds a bit stand over to me Jim but if that is the way of the world then well one has to accept it eh?
    Personally say for example if I made a component for a board manufacturer because that is what they wanted and the software people turn round and say they are not going to let board device I made work with their software I would be pretty ticked off.

    Just for example again like a car maker making the body so a larger or differently fueled engine cannot be fitted even though you can one you want.
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  6. #105


    Covington, La
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    Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64BIT


    Quote Originally Posted by ICit2lol View Post
    Still sounds a bit stand over to me Jim but if that is the way of the world then well one has to accept it eh?
    Personally say for example if I made a component for a board manufacturer because that is what they wanted and the software people turn round and say they are not going to let board device I made work with their software I would be pretty ticked off.

    Just for example again like a car maker making the body so a larger or differently fueled engine cannot be fitted even though you can one you want.
    In the OS there are API's (Application Interface) and these are how a 3rd party driver or software interacts with the OS. MS gives this information to developers so they can write their drivers to work with the API. If you develop a board device you have to write the driver to conform to the API for it to work properly. The MS certification will test your device driver to make sure it works properly. This is protection for the OS so a badly written driver will not affect the system.
    If you have a car and you want to use a different water pump it has to match up to the engine. So if you design your own water pump you get the information from the manufacture so your pump will work on their engine. You don't want to go to a parts store and buy a pump that wont fit on your car.

    Jim
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  7. #106


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    Ok mate I accept what you are saying because I am just a simple sort who thinks that when I build a machine I would like to have the board of my choice, and that it will work regardless of any OS.
    So I had better check with the retailers before I buy a board for example that all the devices will work with any version of an OS and if they don't that means I have to look for one that will and that begins to minimise ones choice as to what board one can use. To me it sort of means the OS manufacturers are holding the big stick and that doesn't sit well with me.
    With technology at the point it is now I would have thought anything would have been compatible with anything, and this sounds awfully like a dollar making exercise. Plus it doesn't make Windows 8 that appealing anymore because of the pedantic rules.
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  8. #107


    Sorry if repeating something but just to clarify in fewer words
    - if USB3 drivers exists in the OS you are trying to install and you have a USB3 capable Motherboard, you can use USB3.
    - If USB3 drivers do not exist in the OS and you have a USB3 capable motherboard you must use USB2.

    Please note the usage of "can" and "must".

    Now, there are exceptions to these general rules. If your USB3 support is on an AddOn Card (via PCI-Express) on the Motherboard, you may be toast regardless since you may need the generic drivers for that specific AddOn Card. Hence use USB2.
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  9. #108


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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit


    Will creating a bootable Windows USB and installing Windows with it makes the USB spoil faster?

    Is this Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool slower or faster as compared to other burning applications (like ImgBurn)?
    Last edited by Brink; 10 Jan 2014 at 22:48. Reason: merged
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  10. #109


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    64-bit Windows 10


    Hello Chun,

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by "USB spoil faster". If you mean that it will reduce the life span, then no more than using the USB for anything else.

    I'd say that the Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool is about the same speed as any other image burning program. You just will not be able to create a bootable UEFI USB with this tool though.

    Hope this helps,
    Shawn
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