Please feel free to post screenshots of these UEFI firmware settings for your brand and model of PC or motherboard to help others.
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Please feel free to post screenshots of these UEFI firmware settings for your brand and model of PC or motherboard to help others.
Thank you Ray.![]()
Apparently this does not work on all systems.
I have tried this with UEFI enabled and with UEFI disabled and booting from Legacy Bios mode. I get stuck in and endless loop at the Advanced Options screen. When I click " Uefi Firmware Settings" I get a screen that says Reboot to change Firmware Settings- and when i hit it's restart button, it brings me back to my normal boot options prompt, which of course only gives me the same options i always have to go back to the system recovery options. The loop starts over. I never see any page that actually has firmware settings i can change. On hitting the Restart button Delete doesn't do anything. I have looked through my Maintenance and Service Guide and it does not even mention UEFI, only the options for Legacy Bios mode.
I have read that we should be able to with UEFI, disable settings, even change or add our own secure boot keys or even delete Microsoft's key if needed from such a settings page. Uefi is supposed to have way more flexibility than Legacy Bios. sadly, i cannot access this on my new HP Pavilion G7. Anyone else have this problem or a workaround for it?
I Can disable Secure Boot in Legacy Bios Settings but only by enabling Legacy Bios. ( I can access the Legacy Bios settings to switch manually between using Legacy Mode and UEFI's mode with Secure Boot - in other words.. what I'm calling Legacy Bios Settings, looks exactly like normal Legacy Bios. If I try to disable Secure Boot in this manner, Legacy Bios gets enabled. If I try to enable Legacy Bios, Secure Boot gets disabled. It really acts as a toggle switch. ( I understand this is not a true Legacy Bios but a legacy Bios comparability layer running within UEFI)
I was hoping I could keep UEFI Mode enabled and through the UEFI Firmware Settings, Only disable Secure Boot leaving UEFI intact but I never see any page similar to the above. I wanted to do this because i am trying to get other operating systems installed for dual boot with Windows 8 and i wanted them to still run under UEFI and not have to take a step backward and use Legacy bios - something I did not want to do. I thought if i could leave Uefi intact and only disable Secure Boot via the Firmware Settings, it would help me with these installs. I have UEFI bootloaders that should let UEFI see and install these OS's yet something still is keeping them from installing - I assume that something to be Secure Boot.
Hello Dark Rider,
Yeah, unfortunately each manufacturer may have their own way of doing this. The tutorial is more of a guide to use with your manual to help on how to do it.
When you restart after clicking on the "UEFI Firmware Settings" option, are you able to quickly press esc and then F10 from page 78 of your HP Pavillion G7-2251dx PC's manual below?
Your manual is pretty lacking (none) in any details for UEFI. I couldn't find anything either in it.
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Yes, I can hit Esc and then F10 which only brings me to my normal looking Legacy bios settings. They are no different than if I go into bios settings at any other time. It's just the same bios we are all used to, not a special UEFI Firmware Settings page.
Edit:
I have contacted HP about this issue. Seems all non ARM Pc's are required by Microsoft's hardware certification to allow the user the ability to disable Secure Boot. HP may be in breach of contract if they are not allowing this on purpose. ( HP is known for not giving full access to bios settings) Info here: If I buy a computer with Windows 8 and Secure Boot, will I still be able to install Linux? - Super User AND Here: Windows Hardware Certification Requirements for Client and Server Systems See sections 14, 17 and 18.
Last edited by Dark Rider; 27 Jan 2013 at 10:39 AM.
Hi Dark Rider,
I was wondering what you'd heard from HP on this issue. I've been waiting to attempt to make my Win 8 HPdv7 a dual-boot Win7/8 box b/c Windows 8 has been such a nightmare in terms of updates breaking things, loss of functionality, etc. Have you made any headway?
Thanks so much!
I actually did make some headway. HP over the course of the past few weeks sent out multiple Bios upgrades. I of course used the HP Support Assistant to download and install every one of them and even had them all verified as updating successful. Seems they are still finding and fixing bugs with this system and UEFI bios. But the updates didn't work right for everyone even though they were verified. To give me the ability to disable Secure Boot, I had to roll back to an earlier bios version and reinstall the updates over again. If your lucky, this will catch and start working correctly. ( it also helps to download and initialize these installs from Legacy Bios Mode and not when UEFI mode is running ( using HP Support Assistant))
On top of that HP makes things very confusing because the UEFI Firmware Settings page is exactly the same as the Legacy Bios page. There is nothing you will see that's any different - the only thing you will notice is some functionality change. Now, you can disable Secure Boot while still using UEFI and it will not switch to Legacy Bios mode by default. This way you are still in UEFI mode with Secure Boot disabled.
Hope this helps. HP still does not allow the correct functionality of being able to delete or add your own Secure Boot Keys as is required by Microsoft in the "Windows Hardware Certification Requirements for Client and Server Systems" as mentioned above. Hopefully they will have a bios update to fix this oversight soon.
BTW, Here is a closer look at UEFI. UEFI has many great features but it's buggy as hell and lots of those features (even without Secure Boot enabled) can give more problems than it's worth. The code is buggy and there are no good standards to help fix these problems as of yet. EFI and Linux: the future is here, and it's awful - Matthew Garrett - YouTube The first half of this tells you the benefits of UEFI and the last tell of it's nightmares. It's clearly not ready as an IO platform yet and Microsoft was dead wrong to insist on OEM's using it.
Last edited by Dark Rider; 29 Jan 2013 at 02:43 PM.
Thanks so much, Dark Rider!! I'm still very nervous about trying to do this, but it's impossible not to have a fully functional box for any longer.![]()
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