You can take as long as you want, as even if we confirm that there exist UEFI implementations supporting NTFS boot, adding UEFI/NTFS support in Rufus is likely to be very low priority. To benefit from it, you'd have to be one of the few people wanting to use an EFI bootable ISO with a >4GB file and one of the few people with an NTFS-supporting UEFI firmware => I don't see that many users being in both these categories.
which they don't seem to be keen on doing.
Now (and this is shamefully copied from here), the Wikipedia article on UEFI states:
So it is possible that ASUS (or AMI/Phoenix/whoever) have a deal with Microsoft that allows them to produce custom UEFI implementation with NTFS support.The UEFI specification explicitly requires support for FAT32 for system partitions, and FAT12/FAT16 for removable media; specific implementations may support other file systems
Still, if they did that just to enable support for >4GB files, the benefits don't quite seem to match the cost...
As far as Linux is concerned, then, it's unrealistic to expect there will be much traction when the decision boils down to a product manager's "Do we expect to make money out of ext# support in an UEFI firmware for our next motherboard? No? Then don't bother".
It has nothing to do with what Linux people may want or any kind of technological impediment.
Now, Apple can do whatever they want with their EFI firmware, since they are their own manufacturer and, unlike what is the case for NTFS (or even FAT), they don't have to strike an alliance between multiple parties to get their way, or sort a licensing agreement. Thus, since there really isn't much technological hurdle to add HFS/HFS+ support and the EFI specs state it's fine to add support for any alternate FS you want, if it was to their advantage they would have added it. And the kicker is: they totally did:
All this to say that: the problem is not a technological hurdle. UEFI is modular, and it is no more difficult to add support for ext#, HFS, UDF or NTFS, at the technical level, than it is to add support for FAT32. All you need is a comprehensive set of specs, a licensing agreement (if needed), and a bunch of developers. That's all there is to it, really, and Apple actually proved that.It includes a read-only HFS+ filesystem driver in addition to the standard read-write FAT driver.
This being said, and even with all the evidence that alphanumeric put forward, I too can't shake the feeling that maybe we're still missing something somewhere, mostly because I can't figure out the rationale for ASUS to add something like NTFS support, so (when I get a chance) I'm planning to spend some time having a closer looks at what the Windows 7 USB tool does, as well as try to peek into the ASUS UEFI firmware to see if there's any trace of an NTFS module. I logged a Rufus Enhancement Request to do just that.
I gave it a shot and I'm also able to install Windows 8 in UEFI while the thumb drive is formatted in NTFS MBR.
To be honest, I unknowingly installed it with these settings a few days ago.
Hello my Friends ! This is my first post in this forum - mayby not last !
At the beginning i want to apologize for my english.
I didn't know anything about an "UEFI" so i created standard bootable usb driver (I've got .ISO with Windows from MSDN). Everything was good, i formated partition 4 (C:ACER) and when i wanted to install windows on this clean partition, i just saw a information about "GPT"...
I was looking for information about in and finally, i found this forum !
I am very embarrassed because i don't know what can i do more, for finally install Windows 7 in my new Acer Aspire V3-571G.
I checked twice tutorial and i everything do correctly.
Problem begins, when i boot laptop from USB and Windows ends "Loading Files..."
The only thing i see is a black screen with text "Starting Windows" and under - "Microsoft Corporation". I would add, that i saw yellow lines for about 2 seconds at the top of the screen.
I want to install Windows 7 Professional N x64 on my new laptop with originally installed Windows 8 x64.
However, i am using pendrive with USB 2.0 standard. This problem appears in USB 2.0 slot and USB 3.0 Slot
MY BIOS SETTINGS:
- GRAPHIC MODE : SWITCHABLE/INTEGRATED
- NETWORK BOOT: DISABLED
- F12 BOOT MOENU: ENABLED
- WAKE ON LAN: DISABLED
- SATA MODE: AHCI MODE/IDE MODE
- SUPERVISOR PASSWORD IS: [SET]
- USER PASSWORDS IS: [CLEAR] <- I made this pass because this enabled me to disable secure boot
- HDD PASSWORD IS: [FROZEN]
- [Erase all Secure Boot Settings]
- [Select an UEFI file as trusted for executing]
- [Restore Secure Boot to Factory Default]
- BOOT MODE: DEFI/LEGACY BIOS (when i am choosing DEFI, W7 is starting but...
- SECURE BOOT: DISABLE
Can anyone help me with this problem? I want to save my recovery partition with Windows 8. I can add, that when i want to "recovery windows 8", i've got a message that a windows can't find a partition. When i want to restore system, i've got the same problem...
Last edited by polaklbn; 01 Dec 2013 at 22:41.
Hello polaklbn, and welcome to Eight Forums.
For now, see if the tutorial below may be able to help with this.
Downgrade Windows 8 to Windows 7