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Hello,
Again this is the first time using apps. No phones, no pads. I understand that apps are just programs - per se! But some of the apps require internet connections and stuff and some are just the renaming of an already on the computer program. I wish to use the photo viewer and it appears except for the starting up as an app and whatever else it does, looks like the Windows 7 Photo Viewer. Is it indeed an onboard program that is dressed up to look like the metro app style stuff or is it a communicating with the clouds type of app? I was attempting to find the plain .exe, but was unable to locate it successfully. What is wrong with my picture of the situation?
Thanks in advance!
Glenn
 

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Windows 8 now offers two distinct types of application, the standard Windows type application we're all familiar with, and the new Metro style applications. The standard windows applications are typically comprised of one or more exe files, dlls and support files. A Metro style application has no such structure. This kind of application is basically a collection of javascript, HTML5 and CSS, and possibly some supporting dlls.

As far as location on disk, Metro style applications will typically have their components in several folders, as an example:

1. C:\Users\{User Name}\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Application Shortcuts\{insert name of metro app here}_8wekyb3d8bbwe
2. C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\{insert name of metro app here}_16.2.3237.215_x86__8wekyb3d8bbwe\{insert name of metro app here}
3. C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_{insert name of metro app here}_31bf3856ad364e35_6.2.8250.0_none_64575da77583f5f5

Not all Metro style applications are 'cloud' based, although the majority are.
 

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Windows 8 now offers two distinct types of application, the standard Windows type application we're all familiar with, and the new Metro style applications. The standard windows applications are typically comprised of one or more exe files, dlls and support files. A Metro style application has no such structure. This kind of application is basically a collection of javascript, HTML5 and CSS, and possibly some supporting dlls.

As far as location on disk, Metro style applications will typically have their components in several folders, as an example:

1. C:\Users\{User Name}\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Application Shortcuts\{insert name of metro app here}_8wekyb3d8bbwe
2. C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\{insert name of metro app here}_16.2.3237.215_x86__8wekyb3d8bbwe\{insert name of metro app here}
3. C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_{insert name of metro app here}_31bf3856ad364e35_6.2.8250.0_none_64575da77583f5f5

Not all Metro style applications are 'cloud' based, although the majority are.

Thanks for the response and info Calico! I don't cloud but I do want the Windows Photo Viewer. Do you know a way of telling if the metro app is connecting to the internet? Some kinda easy way :)?
Cheers
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Thanks for the response and info Calico! I don't cloud but I do want the Windows Photo Viewer. Do you know a way of telling if the metro app is connecting to the internet? Some kinda easy way :)?
CheersGlenn

The problem with Metro applications, is that as soon as you stop interacting with them, the system suspends them. They also don't lend themselves, usefully at least, to running side-by-side. However, If your screen resolution allows, you to run a Metro application and a standard desktop application side-by-side - see Metro Multitasking - Run Two Metro Apps at the Same Time - So you could try with your Metro Application on one side and Task Manager/Resource Monitor in the other. If you can't run side-by-side, then you could try switching from the Metro app to the desktop...
 

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Thanks for the response and info Calico! I don't cloud but I do want the Windows Photo Viewer. Do you know a way of telling if the metro app is connecting to the internet? Some kinda easy way :)?
CheersGlenn

The problem with Metro applications, is that as soon as you stop interacting with them, the system suspends them. They also don't lend themselves, usefully at least, to running side-by-side. However, If your screen resolution allows, you to run a Metro application and a standard desktop application side-by-side - see Metro Multitasking - Run Two Metro Apps at the Same Time - So you could try with your Metro Application on one side and Task Manager/Resource Monitor in the other. If you can't run side-by-side, then you could try switching from the Metro app to the desktop...

Howdy Calico,
No, I am getting in too over my head. Just put a 2nd drive in the box and doing my first system image, yah no more installs (fingers crossed). I, from what I have gleaned about the cloud using, not like regular .exe programs. I don't want them. I plan to play with them some to get the idea and see the proposed new way of computing. I will also see if I can run two apps, I only have a 14" Sylvania CRT. Thanks for the the information. If the system image verifies, I am off to the races!
Take care!
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If it helps, from what I've seen, any Metro application that has a online capability, will make one or more network connections as soon as it's lunched. These will persist until the application is suspended or closed. Once resumed, the connections will be recreated.
 

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Glenn, if you do not like one of the new apps opening your file (e.g. picture or music) by default, right click on the file and go to "Choose Default Program". That will offer you a number of options. Once you chose a different one there, the files with that filetype will always open with that other program (it changes the filetype association).

But you have to do that for every filetype. If e.g. you chose a different program for .jpg pictures, that would not apply to .png or .bmp pictures. For those you have to go thru the same procedure - once per filetype.
 

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If it helps, from what I've seen, any Metro application that has a online capability, will make one or more network connections as soon as it's lunched. These will persist until the application is suspended or closed. Once resumed, the connections will be recreated.

Thanks Calico,
Now that I'm backed up to a safe place. I can play with them all I want. Feeling of relief! Thanks again for the assistance!
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Glenn, if you do not like one of the new apps opening your file (e.g. picture or music) by default, right click on the file and go to "Choose Default Program". That will offer you a number of options. Once you chose a different one there, the files with that filetype will always open with that other program (it changes the filetype association).

But you have to do that for every filetype. If e.g. you chose a different program for .jpg pictures, that would not apply to .png or .bmp pictures. For those you have to go thru the same procedure - once per filetype.

Howdy Sir!!
Thanks for stopping in! I understand (thankfully) what you are saying and I can accomplish that. But in this particular case, what is confusing for me is that I want Windows Photo Viewer to open picture files. The unexplained issue in my mind is my still not fully understanding apps. In Windows 7 I use it. But I am wondering about it only being available as an app on the start page.
Is it just a shortcut to the regular program as in W7 located on my computer. Or is it one of the apps that connect to the internet and starts doing things I don't want it to. As an example, I read the Firefox is supposedly coming out with an app. Well I don't get it for my computer. I have a perfectly set up and running .exe that does everything I want it to. What is the point of a Firefox app, except for phones and maybe tablets? Still trying to figure it out.
Appreciate your assistance!
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Hello Glenn,

In Windows 7 and Windows 8 Windows Photo Viewer can no longer be opened directly with a shortcut like Windows Photo Gallery in Vista could. Instead, you open the image to "Open with" Windows Photo Viewer.

As Wolfgang posted above, you can use Default Programs to set the default associations for Windows Photo Viewer.

Default_Programs.jpg

Hope this helps,
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Hello Glenn,

In Windows 7 and Windows 8 Windows Photo Viewer can no longer be opened directly with a shortcut like Windows Photo Gallery in Vista could. Instead, you open the image to "Open with" Windows Photo Viewer.

As Wolfgang posted above, you can use Default Programs to set the default associations for Windows Photo Viewer.

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Hope this helps,
Shawn

Howdy Brinks,
Thank you for you assistance. I understand what you are saying and also realize that W7 Photo Viewer was not a shortcut.
But what is the deciding factor is, if the Start Page Windows Photo Viewer is different from defaulting to Windows Photo Viewer as a default? Is the start page picture app connecting with the internet for some reason or is it just functioning like it does when I use it on W7 or as you and Wolfgang pointed out, setting it as the default for photo extensions. Confused ain't I!
Always appreciated!
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Glenn, if you do not like one of the new apps opening your file (e.g. picture or music) by default, right click on the file and go to "Choose Default Program". That will offer you a number of options. Once you chose a different one there, the files with that filetype will always open with that other program (it changes the filetype association).

But you have to do that for every filetype. If e.g. you chose a different program for .jpg pictures, that would not apply to .png or .bmp pictures. For those you have to go thru the same procedure - once per filetype.

Howdy Sir!!
Thanks for stopping in! I understand (thankfully) what you are saying and I can accomplish that. But in this particular case, what is confusing for me is that I want Windows Photo Viewer to open picture files. The unexplained issue in my mind is my still not fully understanding apps. In Windows 7 I use it. But I am wondering about it only being available as an app on the start page.
Is it just a shortcut to the regular program as in W7 located on my computer. Or is it one of the apps that connect to the internet and starts doing things I don't want it to. As an example, I read the Firefox is supposedly coming out with an app. Well I don't get it for my computer. I have a perfectly set up and running .exe that does everything I want it to. What is the point of a Firefox app, except for phones and maybe tablets? Still trying to figure it out.
Appreciate your assistance!
Glenn

Hey Glenn.

Under Windows 8 you have two photo viewing applications, neither of which have executable files you can make a shortcut with. One is the same as that found under Windows 7 and the other is the Metro application found on the start page, this latter is also the default program for viewing image files of various types and it will connect to the Internet when opened.

If you want to change the program for viewing files, as whs suggested, you'll need to make some changes. To do this, open control panel and select:

1. Default Programs
2. Associate a file type or a protocol with a program
3. Find the file type you wish to change (jpg, png, gif etc.)
4, Select 'Change Program
5. Select Windows Photo Viewer

Done.

You can also:

1. Right click on an image
2. select Open with
3. Choose default program

This will change the associations for that image type.
 

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Glenn, this is indeed very confusing. Although there is e.g. a Photo Viewer folder in the x86 program files, there is no .exe in this folder. But that is the same for this particular program in Windows7. It seems to be run by the .dlls which in turn are run by the svchost.exes.

If you take e.g. WMP, then you will find an .exe as usual and you can make a shortcut of that and/or pin it to the taskbar.

I have, however, not yet found any trace of the new programs like Photo or Music. No idea where these are hiding - but they must be on the system somewhere because they run without internet connection. We'll have to scout for them. LOl
 

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If you want to see inside, you have to Take Ownership:

C:\Program Files\WindowsApps

It is probably going to the extreme for something like this, but if you install Wireshark and run it, it can screen or file log (or both) every single packet in/out of the machine. You can then set a filter to find anything you are looking for (like Metro apps contacting MS).

Hope this helps.

Introduction To Wireshark
 

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It may be helpful, (or not!) to watch a short video on making a simple cloudapp:
Video Tutorial-Your First Cloud App on Windows Azure | Janakiram MSV

There's a more detailed written account with even more peripheral information here:

Getting Started with Windows Azure Platform Development : slholmes.org

It's a couple of years old now, but all the app is is an active server pages script, an asp.net scripted program, built in the standard Microsoft Visual Studio type Integrated Development Environment. I guess you download the scripts and the Binary Large OBject files (images, libraries etc) in a package when you first get the app from the store, and Windows takes care of putting them in the right places.
 

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Glenn, if you do not like one of the new apps opening your file (e.g. picture or music) by default, right click on the file and go to "Choose Default Program". That will offer you a number of options. Once you chose a different one there, the files with that filetype will always open with that other program (it changes the filetype association).

But you have to do that for every filetype. If e.g. you chose a different program for .jpg pictures, that would not apply to .png or .bmp pictures. For those you have to go thru the same procedure - once per filetype.

Howdy Sir!!
Thanks for stopping in! I understand (thankfully) what you are saying and I can accomplish that. But in this particular case, what is confusing for me is that I want Windows Photo Viewer to open picture files. The unexplained issue in my mind is my still not fully understanding apps. In Windows 7 I use it. But I am wondering about it only being available as an app on the start page.
Is it just a shortcut to the regular program as in W7 located on my computer. Or is it one of the apps that connect to the internet and starts doing things I don't want it to. As an example, I read the Firefox is supposedly coming out with an app. Well I don't get it for my computer. I have a perfectly set up and running .exe that does everything I want it to. What is the point of a Firefox app, except for phones and maybe tablets? Still trying to figure it out.
Appreciate your assistance!
Glenn

Hey Glenn.

Under Windows 8 you have two photo viewing applications, neither of which have executable files you can make a shortcut with. One is the same as that found under Windows 7 and the other is the Metro application found on the start page, this latter is also the default program for viewing image files of various types and it will connect to the Internet when opened.

If you want to change the program for viewing files, as whs suggested, you'll need to make some changes. To do this, open control panel and select:

1. Default Programs
2. Associate a file type or a protocol with a program
3. Find the file type you wish to change (jpg, png, gif etc.)
4, Select 'Change Program
5. Select Windows Photo Viewer

Done.

You can also:

1. Right click on an image
2. select Open with
3. Choose default program

This will change the associations for that image type.

Calico, much appreciated. You have finally put the disparate pieces together. Thanks. Just wonder what the difference is between the programs..... Not important, as I will now that you are sure they are different, I will follow Wolfgangs advice and go the associate route. Dang apps! I know I have Windows Media Player as a shortcut icon and hide the music app.
Cheers
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Glenn, this is indeed very confusing. Although there is e.g. a Photo Viewer folder in the x86 program files, there is no .exe in this folder. But that is the same for this particular program in Windows7. It seems to be run by the .dlls which in turn are run by the svchost.exes.

If you take e.g. WMP, then you will find an .exe as usual and you can make a shortcut of that and/or pin it to the taskbar.

I have, however, not yet found any trace of the new programs like Photo or Music. No idea where these are hiding - but they must be on the system somewhere because they run without internet connection. We'll have to scout for them. LOl

Hello whs,
Very interesting kinda! Brink mentioned that even in W7 Windows Photo Viewer was not an .exe, which you seem to have confirmed. Again the water is getting too deep. It would be interesting, as a matter of fact, I could see a market for a third party software that tracked the logged what the internet connecting apps are doing and blocking them OP' preference. Good luck in your quest!
Glenn
 

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If you want to see inside, you have to Take Ownership:

C:\Program Files\WindowsApps

It is probably going to the extreme for something like this, but if you install Wireshark and run it, it can screen or file log (or both) every single packet in/out of the machine. You can then set a filter to find anything you are looking for (like Metro apps contacting MS).

Hope this helps.

Introduction To Wireshark

Hello Gman,
Thank you! This is more effort and horsepower than I have to spare, but the idea is sound. Always appreciate your ideas and help!
Glenn
Wow, that wireshark video shows a great looking program. May have to learn that one day!!
 

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It may be helpful, (or not!) to watch a short video on making a simple cloudapp:
Video Tutorial-Your First Cloud App on Windows Azure | Janakiram MSV

There's a more detailed written account with even more peripheral information here:

Getting Started with Windows Azure Platform Development : slholmes.org

It's a couple of years old now, but all the app is is an active server pages script, an asp.net scripted program, built in the standard Microsoft Visual Studio type Integrated Development Environment. I guess you download the scripts and the Binary Large OBject files (images, libraries etc) in a package when you first get the app from the store, and Windows takes care of putting them in the right places.

Howdy fafhrd,
Catching a bit of your drift, you keep talking computereez. But just a knee jerk reaction, I don't like the sound of that. If I get time I will certainly take a look. I mean a video should be fairly easy to understand!!
Thanks buddy!
Glenn
 

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Hello,
Again this is the first time using apps. No phones, no pads. I understand that apps are just programs - per se! But some of the apps require internet connections and stuff and some are just the renaming of an already on the computer program. I wish to use the photo viewer and it appears except for the starting up as an app and whatever else it does, looks like the Windows 7 Photo Viewer. Is it indeed an onboard program that is dressed up to look like the metro app style stuff or is it a communicating with the clouds type of app? I was attempting to find the plain .exe, but was unable to locate it successfully. What is wrong with my picture of the situation?
Thanks in advance!
Glenn

Hi there
I think the confusion has come about because (Usually) the younger generation have been so brought up on using "Text-ese" that in ANY language the original word has been so compressed as to be un-recognisable.

An "App" is simply an APP(LICATION) whether it's complex like photoshop or simple like some of the mobile phone stuff it's JUST A PROGRAM or piece of code).

Installing it might require a different "Installer" --usually with MS or other "standard" windows type programs there is usually a setup.exe file somewhere for installing the program or there could be a .MSI type file -- works the same way for installing the application.

Now with say ANDROID phones the application is usually called xxxxx.apk and (after you've gone through all sorts of REDICULOUS hoops via "Google app store" or other such b/s ideas) you just press upload and install -- and the thing will install.

Whether it's a Windows "bog standard" application, a Metro application or any other wretched application the program developer should have provided an "install" program.

At this stage we don't need to go into complex mechanisms such as Registry keys etc.

ALWAYS START FROM FIRST PRINCIPLES and go on from there -- over 30 years of teaching ALL sorts of levels of students the most common result was ALWAYS START AT THE VERY BEGINNING.

I couldn't believe it when about 3 weeks ago on a trip home -- My DAD --first time in his life in probably one of the most comms and Internet savvy nations on the planet decided he wanted his FIRST EVER mobile phone -- so for one reason or another I got him an iPHONE and a couple of manuals.

The Manuals turned out as a bit of a disaster -- on PAGE 1 NO less there were instructions on DOWNLOADING APPS.

What he really needed was a really simple manual starting with was

1) Turning the phone off and on

2) connecting to a network

3) how to make and receive a call.

(Might seem obvious stuff but if you've never used this type of device before it's necessary and only takes a few extra lines).

THEN gradually the more complex stuff.

Believe me My DAD is no idiot - in WW II he was repairing damaged planes that had just returned from Bombing raids often WITHOUT manuals and had to get them fixed within HOURS - often jury rigging spare parts etc. !!

A Metro developers guide will soon be around I'm sure.

but the age old rule KISS - KEEP IT SHORT AND SIMPLE still applies.

Cheers
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