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Latest Win 8.1 ISO "Breaks" System Image Functionality

  1. #21

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    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1

    OEM manufacturer's update from the Windows store.

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    With backup working.

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  2. #22

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    How to clean install Windows 8.1 & have Windows backup working, UEFI mode install.

    Using Windows 7 Partitioning layout.

    To clean install:
    1) Clean the HD Drive, using Step one in this tutorial:
    SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation - Windows 7 Help Forums

    Select disk 0
    Convert gpt
    Create partition efi size=200
    Assign letter=s
    Format quick fs=FAT32
    Create partition msr size=128
    Create partition primary
    Assign letter=w
    Format quick fs=NTFS

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    2) UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) - Install Windows 8 with

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  3. #23

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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin

    Hi Theog.

    In both those cases, where is winre.wim?

    For the oem scenario, is it on the reovery partition?

    For the clean install, is it on the win 8.1 partition?
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  4. #24

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    OEM not here, but I would say on new partition.

    Clean install on C:/

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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin

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  6. #26

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    Just been down my Charlotte's.

    New Windows 8.1 update partition.

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    UEFIGuide Win 7.docx

    UEFIGuide Win 8.docx
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  7. #27

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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin

    Yes that could be the problem.
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  8. #28

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    Workround 2

    warning   Warning
    I personally DO NOT RECOMMEND using this METHOD below,
    as you loose the Windows Recovery Tools.

    Workround 2

    Delete the 300mb Windows Recovery Tools Partition.
    I used Paragon 12 Pro, Bootable WinPE4 disk.
    PARAGON Software Group - partition manager, drive backup, hard disk partitioning

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    NO WinRE.wim on C:/
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  9. #29

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    Windows 8.1 Pro x64

    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Do not make it larger than 350 MB since the imaging utility cannot handle recovery partitions over that size.
    I don't use windows system image, so am not sure what you mean by that.?
    The System Image utility backs up a Recovery (Tools) partition during the normal process. If you have a 500 MB recovery partition, it will show it is backing up a 350 MB partition, which appears to be its limit.

    When you recover the image, you will end up with a 500 MB partition where was originally was and a 350 MB partition which has been set up as the actual Recovery partition. I just happened to notice one of my installs after I had changed the partition to 500 MB to get around the problem of imaging errors.

    I have not yet tried this with wbadmin.exe so not sure it the results would be the same.
    So resizing the recovery partition to 350 MB or a shade less was a successful workaround for you? No errors or other unexpected behavior after restoration? Were the recovery tools in the partition still functional? The reason I ask is how you phrased it with the word "chance." I prefer to leave little to luck.

    Honestly, I liked using the built-in backup tools for redundancy, including images. I've always used Macrium in conjunction with wbadmin because I've experienced restoration issues with both at some point.
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  10. #30

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    Windows 8.1 x64

    I still suggest not using a Recovery Partition over 350 MB. But the exact origin of such a partition, which was not on the original install, has become a little clouded.

    I now know, a Windows 8 to 8.1 upgrade using the RTM and the setup utility from it, will make an additional 350 MB partition in addition to the original 300 MB partition and set the Recovery to use it. An Upgrade from the store maintains the original 300 MB partition and thus will probably cause the Imaging error.

    Whether one is created during a re-imaging operation is now in doubt, but still a possibility, if you were even able to create a System Image in the first place.

    Tomorrow afternoon, I will be changing my current Windows Store Updated 8.0 to 8.1 install to the larger partition and will post the steps using Partition Wizard 7. This process is already described in some other threads, but I will put it here also, if anyone is interested. I have already changed my other install, which originally had the errors, and it creates images normally, so the answer to your question is use a 350 MB partition if you decide to go that way.

    You do have the option of creating 350 MB of unallocated space by shrinking the OS partition, but you would have to copy the old Recovery partition or its contents and reset the recovery image to the new location.

    If anyone doubts the need for a larger partition to solve this problem, check out the size of Winre.wim file currently on this system.

    T:\Recovery\WindowsRE>dir /a
    Volume in drive T is Recovery
    Volume Serial Number is 8476-8552

    Directory of T:\Recovery\WindowsRE

    10/24/2013 05:15 PM <DIR> .
    10/24/2013 05:15 PM <DIR> ..
    06/18/2013 10:08 AM 3,170,304 boot.sdi
    10/24/2013 05:15 PM 1,013 ReAgent.xml
    10/24/2013 05:07 PM 267,405,025 Winre.wim
    3 File(s) 270,576,342 bytes
    2 Dir(s) 14,077,952 bytes free
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