Share to homegroup does not keep the edit permissions

Spook

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Hi,

I have two windows 8 computers in the same homegroup.

When I share a folder to the homegroup and give it View/Edit permissions, it changes to View only after a computer restart.

Is anyone familiar with the issue?

Thanks

Edit:
One more thing, I think it might have something to do with the fact the folders are on a drive defined as a storage space in the storage pool.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
Is this one of the actual Homegroup folders or is it on another drive?

If it's on another drive then the previously set security settings for the drive may be over riding the ones you are setting for individual folders.
 

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Is this one of the actual Homegroup folders or is it on another drive?

If it's on another drive then the previously set security settings for the drive may be over riding the ones you are setting for individual folders.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say homegroup folder.

I'll try to explain the situation better.

I have a storage space drive D: (created with the new win8 feature of storage spaces).
I have a folder D:\Folder1 with files in it.
I right click on the folder -> Share with -> Homegroup (view & edit)

Everything works fine and I can write to the folder from other computers in the homegruop.

But, after I restart this computer, I cannot write to the folder anymore from the other computers.

When I check the File Sharing properties of the folder, before the restart I see on the Homegroup row the permission level "Read/Write", and after the restart I see only "Read".

This does not happen on drive C which is not a storage space drive
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
It sounds like the security permissions on the D drive are over riding the permission settings you are setting.

You might try going into the D drives properties then go to the Security tab and click the Edit button, then the Add button, type "Everyone" no quotes into the open box, hit Ok apply etc. to save the setting. You might also want to make sure that permissions are checked in the Sharing Tab as well. This should prevent the permissions from changing back.
 

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This is just to test if those security permissions are actually the problem or not, you can change the setting back just as easily by removing the Everyone entry and saving.

If you want to only give access just to the Homegroup machines try typing in Homegroup instead of Everyone.

If you want to only give access to single Users on the LAN, then you would need to add the User as a local account on your machine at which point their name will show up in the "Share With" list which then allows you to share with just that one person or not.
 

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Did not help.
But I did notice something new.
On the first seconds when the computer load after the restart, the edit permission is still there.
after about 20 seconds when checking it again, it disappears.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
Did not help.
But I did notice something new.
On the first seconds when the computer load after the restart, the edit permission is still there.
after about 20 seconds when checking it again, it disappears.

That is strange, this may be a feature of storage spaces because it's not a bootable drive. I can't find anything about this problem on the internet.
 

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It's very strange.
I've created some dummy folders on drive d: and shared them too.
It does not happen on the as well.

Now I've created a new storage space f:
created a folder with the same name as those in drive d: that are giving me trouble, removed the share on those in drive d: and shared those in drive f:
the problem does not reproduce!

maybe something is wrong with those specific folders.
I'm now just moving all my data from f: to d: and then I'll delete drive d: and change the letter from f: to d:

I'll report when it's finished.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
It's very strange.
I've created some dummy folders on drive d: and shared them too.
It does not happen on the as well.

Now I've created a new storage space f:
created a folder with the same name as those in drive d: that are giving me trouble, removed the share on those in drive d: and shared those in drive f:
the problem does not reproduce!

maybe something is wrong with those specific folders.
I'm now just moving all my data from f: to d: and then I'll delete drive d: and change the letter from f: to d:

I'll report when it's finished.

I'm thinking there must be a parent folder on D with permissions set in such a way that it's overriding the ones you set.

Hopefully moving it off D to F then changing the F to D will fix the problem.
 

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I think I've found the cause of the problem.
I moved the folder to the other drive, everything worked fine.

Now, the folder has video files in it, and once I've added it to the video's library, it suddenly lost the edit permissions again.

I've done the test on the other folders that did not reproduce the issue before.
Once they are added to the library, they loose the edit permissions.
Doesn't matter if they belong to a storage space drive or they are in drive C.

Now this issue has started on my computer once I installed windows 8.
It never happened on Windows 7.

Is anyone familiar with it?

Edit:

Tried it on a second computer with windows 8.
happens there too.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
I AM, Spook. I have my files in D:\Folder1. Folder1 is added in My Documents library and I need to share Folder1 to Everyone. No chance. After reboot Everyone group is missing again. I did not find the cause of the problem as you did. Wow,you are 100% right. But I have found that the problem is solved when Folder1 is not in the root of D: . I made it this way: D:\Folder0/Folder1 and now the permissions keep even if Folder1 is still in the library. Test it. Strange, isn´t it? :)
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8 Pro
I think the problem is that the Library folders has their own permissions which are of course separate from the ones given to the folders which aren't yet in the Library. By default the Library folders only have read permissions so those would need to be changed.

When you move those folders into a Library folder then the permissions for that Library folder override the ones that that folder had before hand. This is expected behavior from my point of view and it's working exactly as it should be.
 

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I don't move the folders to the library folder.
I add it to be part of the virtual library.
But their real location is still in D:

and this does not happen in windows 7.

and the fact that it took me 4 months to find out that this is the cause, means that it is not really expected.

I think it's a bug and not one of the original requirement of the system.
and if it's a requirement, then it's not a good one.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
Hi,

Same problem over here, on 2 computers running W8 pro 64. I've got a "Documents" hard drives with a "Users" folder that contains the document part of users' profiles (my pictures, my documents, my videos, etc...).
The permissions are set as : System / MyName / Administrators with full access for everything inside a user folder.
When I enable sharing via homegroup for any kind of library, the Homegroup user is added but after a reboot I lost access to the files that belongs to shared libraries and I have to replace permissions by propagating them from the parent (MyName) folder.
The only workaround I found is to disable library sharing.

I never had this issue with Windows 7.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8 Professional
I don't move the folders to the library folder.
I add it to be part of the virtual library.
But their real location is still in D:

and this does not happen in windows 7.

and the fact that it took me 4 months to find out that this is the cause, means that it is not really expected.

I think it's a bug and not one of the original requirement of the system.
and if it's a requirement, then it's not a good one.

You even said here that you did add the files to the Library. The part in bold is exactly what I just said.

Quote from you.

I think I found the cause of the problem.
It has nothing to do with the storage spaces.

It happens in folders that were added to a library.

The addition to the library itself makes them loose the edit permission.

I guess that once windows loads it does the adding action, and that causes the folders to loose the edit permissions.
Actually it doesn't lose anything, it gets the read permission from the Library folder to which it was just added and loses it's previous permission from the folder that it was in before hand. Each Library folder has it's own separate permissions which apply to any folder in that Library.

I simply take a folder where I've given a view/edit permissions to the Homegroup.

I add it to the video library.

check the permissions and now it is only read.

Tried it on a second computer that has windows 8, and it happens there too.

Never happened to me on windows 7 before.

Do you know this issue?



And like I already mentioned earlier, the Library's have read permissions only by default so the second you add a folder from another location then the Library's folder read permissions are being used. This is by design and just because the permissions didn't propagate in Windows 7 doesn't mean there is a bug, it's working exactly as it was designed to work.
 

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I know this post is a few weeks old, but did anyone find a solution?

I have the same problem; I have added folders from a shared partition to the library, and now the folder permissions don't persist when you reboot. The rest of the folders on the shared drive are still accessible, from my Wii, Smart Phone, Android Mini PC, etc. but the ones in the library are not. I have to manually add the permissions every time I restart.

Is this is unique to Windows 8, because you need the files in the library to be able to access them from you apps?

Very annoying!

My own support request, here, is as yet unanswered as of writing.
 

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I know this post is a few weeks old, but did anyone find a solution?

I have the same problem; I have added folders from a shared partition to the library, and now the folder permissions don't persist when you reboot. The rest of the folders on the shared drive are still accessible, from my Wii, Smart Phone, Android Mini PC, etc. but the ones in the library are not. I have to manually add the permissions every time I restart.

Is this is unique to Windows 8, because you need the files in the library to be able to access them from you apps?

Very annoying!

My own support request, here, is as yet unanswered as of writing.


I also have this same problem and I am looking for a solution. Anyone find it yet?
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
Same $h1t here! I have 2 Win8 Pro x64 laptops and write permissions are lost every reboot, they are even changed in the network folders too. This is so annoying. I hope someone fixes this soon.
 

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