Embedded Product Key (8.0) for 8.1 install

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So, I have purchased some computers from Dell and they have Windows 8.0 Professional from the OEM. So, it was very easy for me to use my MSDN media, reinstall Windows 8.0, and it simply detected and used my Windows 8 embedded BIOS key. From there, I would make any adjustments needed, run sysprep, and grab an image. This allowed me to use that image on any of the Dell's that I purchased with Windows 8 and all was great.

Then, along comes the free upgrade to Windows 8.1. I took one of my Dell's, and laid down a clean windows 8.0 image. Then I ran the Store "free" upgrade to Windows 8.1. All was well. I then cleaned up the temporary files and whatnot and tried to run Sysprep only to be greeted with an error that said, "I'm sorry, I cannot validate your OS installation". Did some research and found that you aren't supposed to run Sysprep on a machine that you ran an "upgrade". Instead, you are supposed to install from scratch.

Ok, let's do that. Grabbed the 8.1 ISO from MSDN, put it onto an installable USB key, started the install and it now prompts me for a key. It won't detect or use the embedded 8.0 key that is on the box. So, I cannot actually clean install Windows 8.1 with the embedded OEM key, even though I can freely upgrade to 8.1.

I'm not going to take my new Dell computers, lay down the clean 8.0 image and then upgrade each of them manually via the store to Windows 8.1. This takes way too long.

I'm not going to use my MSDN keys to install onto these machines, because I don't want them to activate these keys. They aren't the legit keys for these machines. These machines have legit OEM Windows 8 keys and 8.1 is a free upgrade to 8.0, so it seems like these legit keys would work. I paid dell to have a valid OEM license on the computer, that is what I want to use.

Does anybody know of a way to get 8.1 Pro to install clean, on a machine with an embedded 8.0 Pro key. This post is in no way shape or form trying to perform any type of piracy.
 

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Hi pparks1,

I believe that ISO requires a generic key to complete the install but I'm not sure what that might be for your specific download; however, I can tell you that if you use Brink's tutorial to download the ISO, this key may work:

XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB

The above generic key is the one I used to do my clean install of 8.1 Pro. Now, once done, you will then need to use your retail key to activate the installation. Yes, I did say retail because I am not sure how/if an OEM key would work under these circumstances.
 

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@pp,

my2c didn't have an oem preinstall, it seems.

I think you may need to find your oem key first, then manually enter it after installing. Probably best to find the key anyway, just in case.
 

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my2c,

Did you originally have an oem preinstall with embedded key? I think you may need to find your oem key first, then manually enter it after installing.

Hi SIW2,

I guess I did a lousy job of explaining myself so I apologize for that! Anyway, I did not have an OEM installation because I had a retail Win 8 Pro key so I just started to type and then at the end I realized that pparks1 was in an entirely different situation so I added the caution at the end of my response. However, your suggestion may be applicable to pparks1's situation; however, I do not know of anyone that has found their legitimate OEM key and then succesffully added it at the end (as you suggested).

Now, if that would work, one would have to be sure they did, in fact, find the correct OEM key, and secondly, they would have to try it as you described but somehow, I got a bad feeling about whether that method would actually work on an OEM configuration because I haven't heard any reports that it has so far. Have you?

So, in summary, I'm good to go on 8.1 because I know the retail key works but I have my doubts about the OEM clean install until proven otherwise; however, thanks a bunch for your concern over my poorly written response.

Cheers,

my2cents
 

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Yes, I have seen it mentioned a few times, can't recall specifically where. That is why I suggested it.
 

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I have my burned key using method described on this forum. Afraid to try it though as my only computer and use it as OTA TV DVR besides normal stuff.

Too many negatives here about using 8.1 ISO to upgrade OEM 8. Takes hours to test it, image, install, test, etc. Not willing to go there. Call me a wuss. :p

PS: Crapped my pants the other day when I did a refresh and had to recover stuff. Still not back to original. IMAGE PEOPLE! I'm one of those easily stressed individuals. :dinesh:
 
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Ok, I have been watching this to see if any reasonable solution is known.

I have been asking for a while if the OEMs were offering an update to 8.1 through them, but it seems that option is not available.

So, the activation process, after you install Windows 8.1, needs the 8.0 License key which in embedded in the bios on these systems.

I suppose I was wondering, when you select "Activate Windows" what options are you given? On my ,non-OEM system, I am asked to input a key or possibly call. Has anyone called Microsoft to see if there is a way to force the Activation process to check for the embedded key as it does during an install? I know during an install, the keys are checked in a file in the sources folder on the install media, then the embedded key, then a manually entered key. There may, or at least should be, some way to use that same process during an update activation. It might be something as simple as waiting some period of time, but no evidence of that, so far.

Granted, if you can somehow dig out your Windows 8 key, you can simply enter it. But since most Windows 8 systems were sold with the embedded key, surely the OEMs and Microsoft would have come up with a way to access it during a clean (basically) Windows 8.1 install. If not, the end users should be raising you know what....with their OEMs!
 

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Granted, if you can somehow dig out your Windows 8 key, you can simply enter it. But since most Windows 8 systems were sold with the embedded key, surely the OEMs and Microsoft would have come up with a way to access it during a clean (basically) Windows 8.1 install. If not, the end users should be raising you know what....with their OEMs!

Amen, but all I hear is crickets. At this point, I'm not even sure I can enter my embedded key that I dug out, as you say.
 

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I used a tool to grab the installed key. I tried to use during the 8.1 install, but it would not take. I will try the key above to get an install, then change key to my Oem key, and see if it will activate. If so, I well then sysprep and then image.

I have a feeling that since it won't accept the key at install, it won't accept it when I try to change the product key either.....since it is in fact a Windows 8.0 key. And I don't think during the upgrade it has to activate, since it's coming from a pre-activated system.

These damn 8 keys should have worked for all 8.x versions if they are free.

I'll report my results tomorrow.
 

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These damn 8 keys should have worked for all 8.x versions if they are free.

I'll report my results tomorrow.

OEM keys are not free but pretty cheap compared to retail. We do pay as part of the hardware price. I for one will be waiting for your results. Thanks for trying.
 

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These damn 8 keys should have worked for all 8.x versions if they are free.

I'll report my results tomorrow.

OEM keys are not free but pretty cheap compared to retail. We do pay as part of the hardware price. I for one will be waiting for your results. Thanks for trying.

When I buy my machines from Dell, I now pay the extra to get 8 pro from them as OEM because it was cheaper than renewing that portion of our enterprise agreement for my company.

I'm certainly not going to pay again to get an 8.1 license. I'll upgrade them with the MSDN media if worse comes to worse, it's much faster than downloading each time from the store.
 

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Ok, good news to report thus far.

I ran the showkey.vbs script that I found on this forum and got the key from my test Dell Latitude 6430u.
I then installed Windows 8.1 from the MSDN iso and used the dummy key above to get it installed.

Then, I ran slmgr.vbs -ipk xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx and put back my legit key. It accepted this.

I connected an ethernet cable, rebooted the machine, and it's showing as activated.

So, I ran sysprep and shut down the machine. Now I am taking an image of this OS, will then put that image back down on another 6430u and see if it activates. Will post back when I know.
 

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That's wonderful news! Thanks for being an OEM 8.1 pioneer in this area.

my2cents
 

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I'm not sure if your aware but each PC (even from the same manufacturer) has a unique embedded key. That key can only be used on that PC. Windows 8 uses OA3.0 and each PC has its own product key. It's not like the old days of OA2.1 where every Dell had the same OEM SLP key. I would think your going to have to retrieve the embedded key on each PC and use that to activate that PC.
 

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Well, got to get some troubleshooting done.

I use Paragon Backup and Recovery to take the image. It took the image just fine, unfortuantely, my machine will not boot after restoring the image. I'm getting
Error 0xc0000034 and a blue screen saying my computer needs to be repaired.

I think it's related to this thread here: Computer won't boot on Win8 UEFI restore - Wilders Security Forums
 

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Ok, good news to report thus far.

I ran the showkey.vbs script that I found on this forum and got the key from my test Dell Latitude 6430u.
I then installed Windows 8.1 from the MSDN iso and used the dummy key above to get it installed.

Then, I ran slmgr.vbs -ipk xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx and put back my legit key. It accepted this.

I connected an ethernet cable, rebooted the machine, and it's showing as activated.

So, I ran sysprep and shut down the machine. Now I am taking an image of this OS, will then put that image back down on another 6430u and see if it activates. Will post back when I know.

That's wonderful news! Thanks for being an OEM 8.1 pioneer in this area.

my2cents


This is fantastic news! You sure will make a lot of OEM folks happy if this works. Maybe Brink will even make one of his wonderful tutorials on the exact steps.

Whoops, posted too soon, now see your latest update.
 

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I'm not sure if your aware but each PC (even from the same manufacturer) has a unique embedded key. That key can only be used on that PC. Windows 8 uses OA3.0 and each PC has its own product key. It's not like the old days of OA2.1 where every Dell had the same OEM SLP key. I would think your going to have to retrieve the embedded key on each PC and use that to activate that PC.

I understand. With 8.0, all I had to do was put my sysprepped image back onto the machine, it read the unique embedded key and it just worked and activated. Since I sysprepped the box before I ran the image, I expect (or hope), that 8.1 grabs this key and can manage to activate it. I expect it work because that is the key that I used with slmgr.vbs -ipk when I ran the command.
 

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I'm not sure if your aware but each PC (even from the same manufacturer) has a unique embedded key. That key can only be used on that PC. Windows 8 uses OA3.0 and each PC has its own product key. It's not like the old days of OA2.1 where every Dell had the same OEM SLP key. I would think your going to have to retrieve the embedded key on each PC and use that to activate that PC.

I understand. With 8.0, all I had to do was put my sysprepped image back onto the machine, it read the unique embedded key and it just worked and activated. Since I sysprepped the box before I ran the image, I expect (or hope), that 8.1 grabs this key and can manage to activate it. I expect it work because that is the key that I used with slmgr.vbs -ipk when I ran the command.

OK, just wanted to make sure. You sounded like you knew what you were doing. I was just giving you a heads up, just in case, so you wouldn't be stuck scratching your head wondering why machine no 2 wouldn't activate. ;)
 

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Now I am taking an image of this OS, will then put that image back down on another 6430u and see if it activates. Will post back when I know

I was expecting you could install with the generic key and activate with the 8.0 oem key grabbed by a keyfinder program.

If you are putting the image on a different machine, you may need to enter the key grabbed from that different machine to activate.
 

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