Solved Dual Boot XP with 8 (Laptop pre-installed 8)

DiogoCDS · Feb 24, 2013

Hi,
Thats what the tittle says, got a laptop that came with windows 8 pre-installed.
I really need to use windows xp, and no, virtual machine won't work with the software I'm using.
Only options I got is either get dual boot to work with xp and 8 or I'll just get rid of 8 and install xp.
Don't really want to get rid of 8 but if theres no choice...
So if someone knows how to do it, please help me out.

Thanks

znod · Feb 24, 2013

I am not sure I will be able to help you, but one preliminary question--are you running under BIOS or UEFI?

bassfisher6522 · Feb 24, 2013

Follow this thread and the link in it...it tells you everything you need to know.

http://www.eightforums.com/installation-setup/16183-dual-booting-windows-8-xp.html

DiogoCDS · Feb 24, 2013

znod said:
I am not sure I will be able to help you, but one preliminary question--are you running under BIOS or UEFI?

I really don't know the difference but by default windows 8 should run under EUFI, so I say its EUFI.
It starts up, shows BIOS screen and then a Asus screen with the doted circle (loading)

DiogoCDS · Feb 24, 2013

bassfisher6522 said:
Follow this thread and the link in it...it tells you everything you need to know.

http://www.eightforums.com/installation-setup/16183-dual-booting-windows-8-xp.html

Thanks, I checked the linked and the situation is a bit different because I got it installed in a Gpt HDD, although I checked the other link inside that one (about dual booting 7 and xp) and I looks like it could work.
The only thing that concerns me is that Gpt thing.
But I'll give it a try.

znod · Feb 24, 2013

If running under UEFI, GPT is used. Only 64-bit XP will run under GPT. Are going with 64-bit XP? Where I am going it toward what you need to do to install your dual boot under UEFI.

You probably are correct that you are under UEFI. To be sure, you could run msconfig; get system info (under tools); and see what BIOS mode your are under--legacy or UEFI.

Will you be installing on a partitioned disk or two separate disks? A disk cannot be both GPT and MBR (except that every GPT disk must contain a "protective" MBR). I make this observation, FYI, in case your are thinking of installing 32-bit XP. If so, you would be limited to MBR--which is inconsistent with UEFI. I assume you probably would be installing on a partitioned disk since you have a laptop.

DiogoCDS · Feb 24, 2013

znod said:
If running under UEFI, GPT is used. Only 64-bit XP will run under GPT. Are going with 64-bit XP? Where I am going it toward what you need to do to install your dual boot under UEFI.

You probably are correct that you are under UEFI. To be sure, you could run msconfig; get system info (under tools); and see what BIOS mode your are under--legacy or UEFI.

Will you be installing on a partitioned disk or two separate disks? A disk cannot be both GPT and MBR (except that every GPT disk must contain a "protective" MBR). I make this observation, FYI, in case your are thinking of installing 32-bit XP. If so, you would be limited to MBR--which is inconsistent with UEFI. I assume you probably would be installing on a partitioned disk since you have a laptop.

Yup, just checked its UEFI.
Well the software I am using can run under xp 64-bit so its fine, and yes I'll make a partition in my HDD to install xp.
So, according to your info, I can install xp 64bit in a different partition without any problems? Just like a normal install?
Or do I have to do anything special?

off-topic: Haven't been here for a while now, but this is still the same

Really nice and polite people. Ty

znod · Feb 24, 2013

DiogoCDS said:
znod said:

If running under UEFI, GPT is used. Only 64-bit XP will run under GPT. Are going with 64-bit XP? Where I am going it toward what you need to do to install your dual boot under UEFI.

You probably are correct that you are under UEFI. To be sure, you could run msconfig; get system info (under tools); and see what BIOS mode your are under--legacy or UEFI.

Will you be installing on a partitioned disk or two separate disks? A disk cannot be both GPT and MBR (except that every GPT disk must contain a "protective" MBR). I make this observation, FYI, in case your are thinking of installing 32-bit XP. If so, you would be limited to MBR--which is inconsistent with UEFI. I assume you probably would be installing on a partitioned disk since you have a laptop.

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Yup, just checked its UEFI.
Well the software I am using can run under xp 64-bit so its fine, and yes I'll make a partition in my HDD to install xp.
So, according to your info, I can install xp 64bit in a different partition without any problems? Just like a normal install?
Or do I have to do anything special?

off-topic: Haven't been here for a while now, but this is still the same Really nice and polite people. Ty

Yes, so far so good.

I need to rethink what you'd need to do--given preinstalled Win8.

DiogoCDS · Feb 24, 2013

znod said:
DiogoCDS said:

znod said:

If running under UEFI, GPT is used. Only 64-bit XP will run under GPT. Are going with 64-bit XP? Where I am going it toward what you need to do to install your dual boot under UEFI.

You probably are correct that you are under UEFI. To be sure, you could run msconfig; get system info (under tools); and see what BIOS mode your are under--legacy or UEFI.

Will you be installing on a partitioned disk or two separate disks? A disk cannot be both GPT and MBR (except that every GPT disk must contain a "protective" MBR). I make this observation, FYI, in case your are thinking of installing 32-bit XP. If so, you would be limited to MBR--which is inconsistent with UEFI. I assume you probably would be installing on a partitioned disk since you have a laptop.

Click to expand...

Yup, just checked its UEFI.
Well the software I am using can run under xp 64-bit so its fine, and yes I'll make a partition in my HDD to install xp.
So, according to your info, I can install xp 64bit in a different partition without any problems? Just like a normal install?
Or do I have to do anything special?

off-topic: Haven't been here for a while now, but this is still the same Really nice and polite people. Ty

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Yes, so far so good.

Normally, I would say start here Dual Boot Installation - Windows 8 and Windows 7 or Vista, and keep following your nose until done. But, I am having trouble figuring out why this tutorial mentions only Win7 and Vista. It makes me wonder if there is an XP trap in following this path. The only thing that comes immediately to mind is that maybe 64-bit XP won't work properly in a dual boot with Win8 under UEFI/GPT. So, I am looking around for an answer to why the tutorial does not also mention XP. Will looking, I post again below with some other thoughts.

Well if you can't figure that out is fine, what would be needed to do if I install the 32bit version?

znod · Feb 24, 2013

I changed my preceding post. I need to rethink. There are two problems, (1) the XP thing I mentioned originally in the quoted material above, and (2) you have preinstalled Win8. Will try to come up with something and get back to you. I think that my only solution would be pretty extreme--involving obliterating your OEM install. Backing off to XP 32-bit would not substantially change things.

Edit: On the thread linked above by bassfisher6522, note that theog says:

"All the above will not work with your NEW Preinstalled Windows 8.
As Windows XP will not install to a GPT HD Drive setup.

You will need to use a VM.

VirtualBox - Install Windows 8

VMware Player - Install Windows 8"

I started apparently with misinformation indicating that 64-bit XP would install on a GPT HDD.

So, you would have to back off from UEFI/GPT. From here, I am not sure if there is a basic problem installing Win8 and XP as a dual boot under MBR. You would think it would work, but I still wonder why this tutorial, Dual Boot Installation - Windows 8 and Windows 7 or Vista, mentions only Win7 and Vista. It makes me wonder if there is an XP trap in following its path under legacy BIOS/MBR.

If you can get over this hump, then a conceivable extreme solution would be to obliterate your factory install, install XP first, and, then install Win8 second--using MS full install system builder software (under the personal use license).

I'll leave it to others to say thumbs up or thumbs down to this idea--which has a definite incremental cost. As you said at the outset, you will obliterate and install XP if you can't come up with a satisfactory dual-boot solution. So, two questions: (1) will what I mention lead to a satisfactory dual boot (i.e., is there some reason Win8 and XP can't be dual booted satisfactorily under legacy BIOS/MBR)? and (2) Is doing so worth the cost (it would be to me).

DiogoCDS · Feb 24, 2013

Alright, thank you very much.

DiogoCDS · Feb 24, 2013

znod said:
I changed my preceding post. I need to rethink. There are two problems, (1) the XP thing I mentioned originally in the quoted material above, and (2) you have preinstalled Win8. Will try to come up with something and get back to you. I think that my only solution would be pretty extreme--involving obliterating your OEM install. Backing off to XP 32-bit would not substantially change things.

There are several here that have virtually complete knowledge when dealing with difficult installation issues. I think of this one as difficult, and it definitely is something I have not experienced personally. Maybe theog or Brink will chime in.

Edit: On the thread linked above by bassfisher6522, note that theog says:

"All the above will not work with your NEW Preinstalled Windows 8.
As Windows XP will not install to a GPT HD Drive setup.

You will need to use a VM.

VirtualBox - Install Windows 8

VMware Player - Install Windows 8"

I started apparently with misinformation indicating that 64-bit XP would install on a GPT HDD.

So, you would have to back off from UEFI/GPT. From here, I am not sure if there is a basic problem installing Win8 and XP as a dual boot under MBR. You would think it would work, but I still wonder why this tutorial, Dual Boot Installation - Windows 8 and Windows 7 or Vista, mentions only Win7 and Vista. It makes me wonder if there is an XP trap in following this path under legacy BIOS/MBR.

If you can get over this hump, then a conceivable extreme solution would be to obliterate your factory install, install XP first and, then install Win8 second--using MS full install system builder software (under the personal use license).

I'll leave it to others to say thumbs up or thumbs down to this idea.

Yeh, thats why I asked.
Anyway I don't want to reinstall windows 8, so I'll just do a clean install of windows xp.
Thanks for you help.

edit:
I wanted to be able to install xp straight away, without the need to format the drive install 8 then install xp.
That is my friend's laptop that he uses for work, he doesn't really need or want windows 8.
But I was checking if it was possible to install xp without removing 8.
But is not big deal windows xp is what he needs for his job, also virtual machines do not work with the software he uses.

znod · Feb 24, 2013

You are very welcome. Good luck with your XP install.

theog · Feb 24, 2013

znod said:
I changed my preceding post. I need to rethink. There are two problems, (1) the XP thing I mentioned originally in the quoted material above, and (2) you have preinstalled Win8. Will try to come up with something and get back to you. I think that my only solution would be pretty extreme--involving obliterating your OEM install. Backing off to XP 32-bit would not substantially change things.

Edit: On the thread linked above by bassfisher6522, note that theog says:

"All the above will not work with your NEW Preinstalled Windows 8.
As Windows XP will not install to a GPT HD Drive setup.

You will need to use a VM.

VirtualBox - Install Windows 8

VMware Player - Install Windows 8"

I started apparently with misinformation indicating that 64-bit XP would install on a GPT HDD.

So, you would have to back off from UEFI/GPT. From here, I am not sure if there is a basic problem installing Win8 and XP as a dual boot under MBR. You would think it would work, but I still wonder why this tutorial, Dual Boot Installation - Windows 8 and Windows 7 or Vista, mentions only Win7 and Vista. It makes me wonder if there is an XP trap in following its path under legacy BIOS/MBR.

If you can get over this hump, then a conceivable extreme solution would be to obliterate your factory install, install XP first, and, then install Win8 second--using MS full install system builder software (under the personal use license).

I'll leave it to others to say thumbs up or thumbs down to this idea--which has a definite incremental cost. As you said at the outset, you will obliterate and install XP if you can't come up with a satisfactory dual-boot solution. So, two questions: (1) will what I mention lead to a satisfactory dual boot (i.e., is there some reason Win8 and XP can't be dual booted satisfactorily under legacy BIOS/MBR)? and (2) Is doing so worth the cost (it would be to me).

I do not support installing Win XP on new consumer OEM Desktops & Notebooks with Windows 8 Core Pre-Install, as OEM's have no Win XP driver or BIOS support.

I would look for a new Business OEM Desktop or Notebook with Windows 8 Pro Pre-Install, with Win XP driver & BIOS support.

or you could use your Asus P5Q Deluxe for Win XP install.

DiogoCDS · Feb 24, 2013

theog said:
znod said:

I changed my preceding post. I need to rethink. There are two problems, (1) the XP thing I mentioned originally in the quoted material above, and (2) you have preinstalled Win8. Will try to come up with something and get back to you. I think that my only solution would be pretty extreme--involving obliterating your OEM install. Backing off to XP 32-bit would not substantially change things.

Edit: On the thread linked above by bassfisher6522, note that theog says:

"All the above will not work with your NEW Preinstalled Windows 8.
As Windows XP will not install to a GPT HD Drive setup.

You will need to use a VM.

VirtualBox - Install Windows 8

VMware Player - Install Windows 8"

I started apparently with misinformation indicating that 64-bit XP would install on a GPT HDD.

So, you would have to back off from UEFI/GPT. From here, I am not sure if there is a basic problem installing Win8 and XP as a dual boot under MBR. You would think it would work, but I still wonder why this tutorial, Dual Boot Installation - Windows 8 and Windows 7 or Vista, mentions only Win7 and Vista. It makes me wonder if there is an XP trap in following its path under legacy BIOS/MBR.

If you can get over this hump, then a conceivable extreme solution would be to obliterate your factory install, install XP first, and, then install Win8 second--using MS full install system builder software (under the personal use license).

I'll leave it to others to say thumbs up or thumbs down to this idea--which has a definite incremental cost. As you said at the outset, you will obliterate and install XP if you can't come up with a satisfactory dual-boot solution. So, two questions: (1) will what I mention lead to a satisfactory dual boot (i.e., is there some reason Win8 and XP can't be dual booted satisfactorily under legacy BIOS/MBR)? and (2) Is doing so worth the cost (it would be to me).

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I do not support installing Win XP on new consumer OEM Desktops & Notebooks with Windows 8 Core Pre-Install, as OEM's have no Win XP driver or BIOS support.

I would look for a new Business OEM Desktop or Notebook with Windows 8 Pro Pre-Install, with Win XP driver & BIOS support.

or you could use your Asus P5Q Deluxe for Win XP install.

Thanks for you input.
I'll install xp and see how it goes.

theog said:
or you could use your Asus P5Q Deluxe for Win XP install.

What you mean with this?
Really don't get it

theog · Feb 24, 2013

DiogoCDS said:
Hi,
Thats what the tittle says, got a laptop that came with windows 8 pre-installed.
I really need to use windows xp, and no, virtual machine won't work with the software I'm using.
Only options I got is either get dual boot to work with xp and 8 or I'll just get rid of 8 and install xp.
Don't really want to get rid of 8 but if theres no choice...
So if someone knows how to do it, please help me out.

Thanks

Your Notebook is a OEM Notebooks with Windows 8 Core Pre-Install.

Your Asus P5Q Deluxe supports Win XP.

znod · Feb 24, 2013

~theog:

Makes total sense--new hardware, etc., would not work with XP on a new OEM pre-install consumer machine. And, makes total sense that XP and Win8 could be dual booted provided that the BIOS/driver issues are dealt with--as on business machines. In this regard, my assumption is that XP is not incorporated into Dual Boot Installation - Windows 8 and Windows 7 or Vista because of the substantial uncertainties related to BIOS/driver support for consumer PC's in general. Thank you for the information; it helped me a great deal.

DiogoCDS · Feb 24, 2013

theog said:
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DiogoCDS said:

Hi,
Thats what the tittle says, got a laptop that came with windows 8 pre-installed.
I really need to use windows xp, and no, virtual machine won't work with the software I'm using.
Only options I got is either get dual boot to work with xp and 8 or I'll just get rid of 8 and install xp.
Don't really want to get rid of 8 but if theres no choice...
So if someone knows how to do it, please help me out.

Thanks

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Your Notebook is a OEM Notebooks with Windows 8 Core Pre-Install.

Your Asus P5Q Deluxe supports Win XP.

Hmm yes but the laptop isn't mine.
Just said it was a friends laptop in a last edit.
Sorry about the confusion.

Heythere · Oct 9, 2013

DiogoCDS said:
Hi,
Thats what the tittle says, got a laptop that came with windows 8 pre-installed.
I really need to use windows xp, and no, virtual machine won't work with the software I'm using.
Only options I got is either get dual boot to work with xp and 8 or I'll just get rid of 8 and install xp.
Don't really want to get rid of 8 but if theres no choice...
So if someone knows how to do it, please help me out.

Thanks

Hey! I just experienced the EXACT problem with yours, using winxp supported programs only (Don't ask why im not using windows 7/8 supported programs, they just dont support anything other than XP). Done this using windows 8 preinstalled ASUS vivobook

So.
Reformat your HDD to MBR. (Yes, take it out and reformat externally)

<Be sure to have either the OEM recovery cd/dvd or create a default system image, just in case you wanna go back to windows 8,No matter what happens you can't create a recovery CD/DVD, Tried and tested within a span of a FULL month>

-Once formatted, enter BIOS(UEFI) page.
-Disable the secure boot, and fast startup.
-Enable CSM (Compatiblilty Support Manager) & change the SATA configurations from AHCI to IDE

With that done, you should be able to install Win XP 32bit*.

And if you wanna recovery win 8, please re-format and change the Partioning to GPT, Disable CSM, Change IDE back to AHCI and you should be running win 8 again.
The only thing you have to worry about when doing this method is warranty and also drivers. So.... Goodluck with it

*Have not tried the WinXPP SP3 64bit yet
*Dual booting should NOT be able, as the partitioning table is different. But again if someone managed to do it, please share with the rest of us!

If the explaination is vague, feel free to PM, will be glad to help!
Cheers!

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