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    Moving pre-installed Windows 8 from HDD to SSD


    Hello,

    I recently bought a Lenovo Z580 with Windows 8 pre-installed. It did not come with installation discs. I also bought a Samsung 830 256GB SSD with the laptop kit, which includes a SATA to USB cord, a disc copy of Norton Ghost, and a disc copy of Samsung Magician. In addition, I bought a USB 2.0 enclosure that will hold my internal HDD (until I find a good USB 3.0 enclosure).

    My goal: to have my laptop be running Windows 8 off of the SSD which would be my main and only drive in my laptop. I would like to do this as simply as possible, with as few steps as possible.

    I have looked online for quite some time, and whatever I have tried has failed.

    Originally I wanted to use Norton Ghost to copy an image over to my SSD. It turns out Norton Ghost 15.0 doesn't support Windows 8.

    So then I looked at other options. Let me get the vocabulary and options clear here, because it's frikkin confusing and nothing I have found really explains it.

    "Boot from" = Using BIOS to tell the computer to look at a certain drive to "boot from" that drive. However, I don't understand what boot from actually means. Do you need Windows 8 INSTALLED already on something that you boot from? Do you just need an IMAGE of Windows 8?
    System Refresh = Not really reinstalling anything???
    System Restore = ???
    System Image Recovery = Recover Windows using a specific system image file. How do I create this system image file? Can this system image be put on a USB, and then "booted from" it?
    Bootable recovery drive = a USB drive that can be "booted from."

    Here is a record of what I have tried:
    1. After going to Start menu, typed "Recovery Drive" to search and find the "Create a recovery drive" process. Clicked on that.
    2. At this point, a "Create a recovery drive" menu popped up. My laptop came with a recovery partition, so it tells me I can copy it to the recovery drive so you can use it to "refresh or reset your PC." There is a box that I can click that says "Copy the recovery partition form the PC to the recovery drive." I checked this box and hit next.
    3. It prompted me to connect a USB drive with at least 16 GB, so I connected a 32 GB flashdrive. I then went through the process and the recovery drive was made. It took up around 10 GB.
    4. At this point I thought I could "boot from" the USB, and then install Windows 8 via the recovery drive on my SSD. Hence I shut down the laptop, removed the battery, removed the HDD, put the SSD in its place, put the battery back in and started up the laptop. It gave me the language and keyboard options, and then brought up a screen that was similar to the "Advanced Setup" screen that can be accessed via PC Settings => General => scroll down to the bottom under "Advanced Setup." However this "Advanced Setup" screen had fewer options.
    5. I now plugged in the USB recovery drive.
    6. I went to "Troubleshoot" => "Advanced Options," and went to UEFI Firmware settings. Clicking "Enter" on the USB under the "Boot Menu" restarted the computer and took me back to the Language/Keyboard choosing. So it did nothing.
    7. So now I went back to the UEFI Firmware settings and hit Tab to go to the App Menu, then hit Enter to go into "Setup". I scrolled over to "Boot" and in here was the options of Boot Mode, USB Boot, and Boot Priority Order. Boot Mode is [UEFI], USB Boot is [Enabled], and then I placed the Boot Priority Order to have the USB come first, and then the SSD, and then everything else. I then restarted. It took me back to the Language/Keyboard choosing. So it did nothing.
    8. I then put the HDD into the enclosure and tried to "boot from" that. I expected this to work because it actually has Windows 8 installed on it. Didn't work. I was always caught in the Language/Keyboard loop.


    Okay, so I gave up for the night. Today I tried to create the system image using the OneKey Recovery.

    1. I swapped the SSD and HDD back so I could get Windows 8 running again.
    2. I got to the OneKey Recovery menu. I hit "System Backup", and it gave me the option of where to back up to. I changed it to "Hard Disk or Removable Hard Drive"
    3. The Estimated image size was 29 GB, and so I used my 32GB Flash drive to create the image.
    4. After that, I tried to use that image on my USB to reinstall Windows 8 from the "Advanced Setup" screen, but I couldn't figure out how to do it. You can get to a section that asks for an image somewhere, but it wants one from the HDD, not from the USB.


    I have not yet tried any type of free imaging software, as mentioned in this thread here, which asks essentially the same question that I am asking in this thread. However, I don't think any of the answers given in that thread were good enough because they assume knowledge and aren't clear in describing the order of steps.

    So if anyone responds to the thread, it would be greatly appreciated if you describe exactly the order of steps needed to do accomplish this transfer of Windows 8.

    (I actually really dislike that they do not include installation DVDs. Because if they had, I would be done with this already.)


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    information   Information

    We always assume you have made your Recovery Disks using the OEM manufacturer's Recovery Media Creator app the first day you had your new PC.
    & made the Startup Repair CD.
    Recovery Drive - Create with USB Flash Drive in Windows 8
    System Repair Disc - Create in Windows 8




    Did you make the OEM manufacturer's Recovery Disks?
    Check out chapter 3 in this manual:

    http://download.lenovo.com/consumer/...12_english.pdf


    You can order OEM Recovery disks from your OEM manufacturer's website.




    You can use the Windows system image.

    System Image - Create in Windows 8

    Recovery Drive - Create with USB Flash Drive in Windows 8

    System Repair Disc - Create in Windows 8
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post

    Did you make the OEM manufacturer's Recovery Disks?
    Check out chapter 3 in this manual:

    http://download.lenovo.com/consumer/...12_english.pdf



    You can use the Windows system image.

    System Image - Create in Windows 8

    Recovery Drive - Create with USB Flash Drive in Windows 8

    System Repair Disc - Create in Windows 8
    I followed the Chapter 3 "Backing up the system partition" section. Instead of creating DVDs, I made the equivalent, which was a USB flash drive.

    How do I now use that equivalent to "OEM manufacturer's Recovery disks" to transfer to the SSD?
    With my current understanding I would do the following: Turn off the computer. Swap out the HDD and replace with the SSD. Plug the USB drive into the computer. Turn the computer on. Make sure you boot from USB before the SSD. Should this work? Will it automatically take me to setup the installation process? I can't do it until later tonight, but I will test it and edit my answer when I do.
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    Page 27.

    When the hard disk drive or solid state drive is replaced because of a failure, no
    product recovery program is on the new drive. In this case, you must use the
    Recovery Disc Set for the computer. Order the Recovery Disc Set and the drive at
    the same time so that you can recover the new drive with the pre-installed
    software when they arrive.
    The Recovery Disc Set consists of the following set of DVDs to restore the
    computer to the original factory configuration.

    Start Recovery Disc (one disc)

    This disc is used to format the hard disk drive and initiate the recovery process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Page 27.

    When the hard disk drive or solid state drive is replaced because of a failure, no
    product recovery program is on the new drive. In this case, you must use the
    Recovery Disc Set for the computer. Order the Recovery Disc Set and the drive at
    the same time so that you can recover the new drive with the pre-installed
    software when they arrive.
    The Recovery Disc Set consists of the following set of DVDs to restore the
    computer to the original factory configuration.

    Start Recovery Disc (one disc)

    This disc is used to format the hard disk drive and initiate the recovery process.
    (I couldn't find this on Page 27 of the manual btw.)

    What do they refer to when they say "Recovery Disc Set"? It says to "Order the Recovery Disc Set," which strongly implies that it is a set of installation discs that do not come with the computer but you must acquire otherwise.

    Allow me now to elucidate my current understanding. This paragraph means that, for ALL THE OPTIONS that they give you on the computer to create recovery options, or system images, or whatever you want to call it, you can't use ANY OF THOSE to do a clean installation on a different drive, or on that same drive if that drive completely crashes/can't boot.

    This can't possibly be the best answer. This basically means that they failed to supply installation discs that computer makers previously had supplied for years and years, in lieu of something that does not fulfill the full purpose of the installation discs. Thus rendering the new options useless, since you need to get discs again anyway. This is so insanely backwards... I just don't even know what to think if this understanding is correct. I hope I am wrong.
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    Instead of creating DVDs, I made the equivalent, which was a USB flash drive.
    Did you make the Recovery disks, DVD or USB?
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    That's awkward.

    Previously (eg with win7 ), you would download the win7 installation 7 iso - available all over the place - and use the COA license key stickered on the machine to do a fresh install.

    In their infinite wisdom, MS don't do that any more with Windows 8.

    I don't know wht the situation would be if you got a Windows 8 install iso ( google) and installed with that.

    Perhaps you would need to call MS to get an activation code of some sort.

    It is very messy and inconvenient compared to how they used to do it.
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    This can't possibly be the best answer. This basically means that they failed to supply installation discs that computer makers previously had supplied for years and years, in lieu of something that does not fulfill the full purpose of the installation discs. Thus rendering the new options useless, since you need to get discs again anyway. This is so insanely backwards... I just don't even know what to think if this understanding is correct. I hope I am wrong.
    Yes, that is pretty much it.

    There should be some way of running off the oem recovery discs yourself from a program the oem has put somewhere in windows.

    Completely useless if you can't get into windows in the first place.
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    I read through the thread a couple of times to make sure I was on the right track, so I hope I'm answering the OP's original question:

    I have used the EASEUS TODO backup software several times on different computers with great success, and they still offer a free version...
    Easeus Todo Backup Free - CNET Download.com
    Install on the HDD in your Lenovo with the (formatted) SSD in the external enclosure then select the full disk clone (rather than partition), it will copy all of the original HDD's partitions (including recovery) to the SSD. When it's completed swap the drives and you should be good to go.
    I've had a couple of situations in the past where I had to boot to the repair disc to fix the boot sector on the SSD but those were rare occasions.
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    have used the EASEUS TODO backup
    Ditto, has been (and is) very good. Remember to tick 'Optimize for SSD' to get the alignment right.
    To check SSD alignment and performance > Download AS SSD benchmark 1.6.4237 - FileHippo.com
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