Solved Win8 Install Strategy

jaf2

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Hi, I'm hoping to install win8 Pro. I currently run winXP x64 and have purchased the win8 Pro upgrade media version. I only have one computer and want to keep my current XP system available until I know for sure I win8 x64 will work for me.

I have winXP on a 1tb drive and have a backup image on another drive. I have a new 128gb ssd and another 2tb blank drive I expect to use for win8.

When I first put the win8 DVD in with the XP system active (I was thinking I had to have a previous version of Windows to use the win8 upgrade) I received the message that stated "your uperating system is not supported -- require service pack 3." Well that stopped me, since XP x64 doesn't have a service pack 3.

I found out I had to do a custom installation. So I cabled up my blank ssd and 2tb drive and uncabled the XP drive and did a quick win8 install, which seemed to be successful. However, I had to go back to my XP system to get my work done.

So, here's my concerns. Will I be able to switch back-and-forth as I build up (install my apps) as long as I'm only using one copy of Windows on one computer? All my software is legal -- owned by myself. I just get the feeling this "plan" won't go smoothly.

Are there any "pitfalls" I can avoid by using a certain approach?

Hope this wasn't too confusing. :think:
 

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  • OS
    win XP x64
You can do a clean install, but you need to delete the Windows XP install.


http://www.eightforums.com/general-discussion/10837-windows-8-eula.html

Microsoft said:
What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.
 

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System One

  • OS
    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Other Info
    Notebooks x 3

    Desktops x 5

    Towers x 4
So in other words, I can't take the time to build the win8 system before trashing XP? I didn't say I was going to use XP in the future if win8 works for me. I have an extensive amount of software and it would take several days to get it installed on win8. Many applications, like Photoshop and Zbrush have to be un-registered from XP and re-registered in win8. But I have to keep my XP system running (until I know win8 will work with my peripherals) to do my job.

I have four xp licenses; three for x32 and one for x64. I'm not trying to cheat Microsoft and I can easily install one of my other licenses to use as the "sacrifice". I just thought I could make the transition easier. Guess not.


Thanks
 

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System One

  • OS
    win XP x64
information   Information

If you need to download 32bit Windows 8, download from a 32bit PC.
If you need to download 64bit Windows 8, download from a 64bit PC.



Make sure you download the right bit version.
 

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System One

  • OS
    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Other Info
    Notebooks x 3

    Desktops x 5

    Towers x 4
information   Information

If you need to download 32bit Windows 8, download from a 32bit PC.
If you need to download 64bit Windows 8, download from a 64bit PC.



Make sure you download the right bit version.

Both versions were on the DVD's I purchased.
 

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System One

  • OS
    win XP x64
Maybe I have to re-word this.

All I want to do is build a win8 system to replace my win XP system. But I only have one computer and need to continue my day-to-day, so I'm trying to build up the win8 system on the same computer at a pace I can keep up with. I don't mind re-activating Windows, but don't want to get halfway done and suddenly find out something I use won't work and I can't back out (to my win XP image.)

Many applications demand I deactivate and re-activate when my hardware changes (including Windows.) I feel like a fool for being honest and purchasing all my software when I have the knowledge to pirate.
 

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  • OS
    win XP x64
Download the W-8 upgrade assistant software .Before upgrading to Windows 8, I would run the Windows 8 Upgrade Assistant. It scans your current PC to see if it is ready for Windows 8 and then provides a compatibility report and optional steps to install Windows 8.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built Antec P-180B Case
    CPU
    Intel E8400
    Motherboard
    Asus P5QPro Turbo
    Memory
    Kingston PC6300 4 gig
    Graphics Card(s)
    HD5670
I marked this as solved only because I gave up. I know my harware will work fine with win8. I get tired of being identified as someone who is trying to cheat Microsoft. I think I was clear that it wasn't my intent.

I'm on a fixed income, $400 USD per month, and can't afford another computer. I just wanted to do a controlled upgrade where I could do it slowly and still keep my day-to-day work going. It seems that's not possible, and it's not just Microsoft. I have a couple programs that as soon as I change any hardware, they disable and I have to email the developer to get a new activation. And they respond a couple days later... Great, so if I have to replace a disk drive, I get the honor of waiting for a developer to be nice and enable a new activation. Thanks.

I went through a half hour phone call with Adobe to try to get my CS3 stuff re-activated. Twenty questions to determine if I actually owned the software. Doesn't matter that I have the original media in hand or the emails covering the purchase.

Sorry, I'll go away.
 

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  • OS
    win XP x64
Hope you're still around ...

I had similar concerns upgrading from Win7 to Win8 -- didn't want Win7 to be "disabled". My interim solution was to reinstall Vista and upgrade using it. Since I did a clean-install, it didn't actually "upgrade" anything but installed anew.

When I did that, i expected it to either grab the Vista product key or prompt for it -- it did neither during install. I also then expected Win8 to NOT activate and to have to enter the Vista product key during activation.

But, it DID activate and did not disable either Vista or Win7.

So, basically, while legally you can't continue to use XP after you upgrade, based on my experience, Win8 is not going to "disable" it.
 

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Create a new partition. Install 8 on said partition. This allows you to have both operating systems on your machine at once. You can choose which one you want to use at boot. Once you have everything ready to go with 8, you can use Easeus Partition Manager to delete the XP partition and extend the 8 partition into it, effectively creating a single 8 partition. The reason I suggest Easeus is because the Windows Disk Manager can't extend partitions to unallocated space on its left, for some reason I'm not aware of.

If you need help doing this, just ask.

Though it's probably too late, huh? I don't understand why you need to call to reactivate that stuff. Activation should still be the same unless you need a different installation for those programs to work in 8 since they're catered for XP. You may be able to download windows 7/8 specific versions and then activate those? Not sure. Haven't used Adobe products in ages (aside from the usual flash/reader, etc).

EDIT: MiniTool Partition Wizard may work as well or better. Haven't tried it, myself.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7 920 2.66GHz (OC to 3.8GHz)
    Motherboard
    MSI Pro x58
    Memory
    6GB OCZ Gold
    Graphics Card(s)
    Two GTX 460s in SLI
    Sound Card
    Xonar DX
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    Acer 21.5" Display
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    PSU
    Corsair 750tx
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    Xclio Windtunnel
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    Noctua NH-D14
Create a new partition. Install 8 on said partition. This allows you to have both operating systems on your machine at once. You can choose which one you want to use at boot. Once you have everything ready to go with 8, you can use Easeus Partition Manager to delete the XP partition and extend the 8 partition into it, effectively creating a single 8 partition. The reason I suggest Easeus is because the Windows Disk Manager can't extend partitions to unallocated space on its left, for some reason I'm not aware of.

If you need help doing this, just ask.

Though it's probably too late, huh? I don't understand why you need to call to reactivate that stuff. Activation should still be the same unless you need a different installation for those programs to work in 8 since they're catered for XP. You may be able to download windows 7/8 specific versions and then activate those? Not sure. Haven't used Adobe products in ages (aside from the usual flash/reader, etc).

EDIT: MiniTool Partition Wizard may work as well or better. Haven't tried it, myself.

NO,you need to delete the Windows XP install first.


http://www.eightforums.com/general-discussion/10837-windows-8-eula.html

Microsoft said:
What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.


or You would have NO original software to upgrade from.
 

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  • OS
    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Other Info
    Notebooks x 3

    Desktops x 5

    Towers x 4
Ah, legal mumbo jumbo that affects essentially nothing. Activation still works on previous Windows operating systems.

If it's a forum rules issue, I get it. Otherwise, it's a non-issue.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64
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    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7 920 2.66GHz (OC to 3.8GHz)
    Motherboard
    MSI Pro x58
    Memory
    6GB OCZ Gold
    Graphics Card(s)
    Two GTX 460s in SLI
    Sound Card
    Xonar DX
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 21.5" Display
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    PSU
    Corsair 750tx
    Case
    Xclio Windtunnel
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D14

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    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1
    Computer type
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    Other Info
    Notebooks x 3

    Desktops x 5

    Towers x 4
So a forum issue. Understandable, I guess. The new legal terms make little sense, considering, but whatever.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7 920 2.66GHz (OC to 3.8GHz)
    Motherboard
    MSI Pro x58
    Memory
    6GB OCZ Gold
    Graphics Card(s)
    Two GTX 460s in SLI
    Sound Card
    Xonar DX
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 21.5" Display
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    PSU
    Corsair 750tx
    Case
    Xclio Windtunnel
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    Noctua NH-D14
So a forum issue. Understandable, I guess. The new legal terms make little sense, considering, but whatever.

What new legal terms on upgrading?
 

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    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Other Info
    Notebooks x 3

    Desktops x 5

    Towers x 4
Yep, it's the same as it always have been for upgrades.

The Windows 8 Upgrade Assistant only checks your current installation to make sure it's compatible to upgrade to Windows 8, and to make sure that the currently installed OS qualifies for a Windows 8 upgrade copy before allowing you to purchase and download/install it. The Windows 8 Upgrade Assistant doesn't disable the installed OS's product key number, or tie Windows 8 to it.

To be legal when doing a clean install with a Windows 8 upgrade copy, you would just need to no longer have the product key number for any one of the qualifying OS (XP SP3, Vista, or Windows 7) that you own activated while the Windows 8 upgrade is installed and activated with it's product key.

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/13375-clean-install-windows-8-upgrade.html

For example, if you have both Vista and Windows 7 and originally upgraded Windows 7 to Windows 8 and changed your mind and wanted to reinstall Windows 7, then you would just need to substitute Vista as the qualifying OS instead or not have Windows 8 installed.
 

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    64-bit Windows 10
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    Intel i7-8700K OC'd to 5 GHz
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    ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula Z390
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    64 GB (4x16GB) G.SKILL TridentZ RGB DDR4 3600 MHz (F4-3600C18D-32GTZR)
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    ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING
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    2 x Samsung Odyssey G7 27"
    Screen Resolution
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    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2,
    4TB Samsung 990 PRO PRO M.2,
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    OCZ Series Gold OCZZ1000M 1000W
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    Thermaltake Core P3
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    Corsair Hydro H115i
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    APC SMART-UPS RT 1000 XL - SURT1000XLI,
    Galaxy S23 Plus phone
So a forum issue. Understandable, I guess. The new legal terms make little sense, considering, but whatever.

I don't know of any substantial license change. 1 license per computer, upgrades upgrade an existing system, it's the same as it has always been.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 7
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    Self-Built in July 2009
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    Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
    Memory
    8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Acer x233H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
    Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
    PSU
    Corsair 620HX modular
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.
I gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was a new stipulation for 8.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7 920 2.66GHz (OC to 3.8GHz)
    Motherboard
    MSI Pro x58
    Memory
    6GB OCZ Gold
    Graphics Card(s)
    Two GTX 460s in SLI
    Sound Card
    Xonar DX
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer 21.5" Display
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    PSU
    Corsair 750tx
    Case
    Xclio Windtunnel
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D14
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