Windows 8 is no iphone killer

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I think investors are being a little cautious - perhaps the phone won't do brilliantly - perhaps desktop users won't flock to it either - but I think it could do ok in tablets - as long as it is priced right.


The silence surrounding these Windows 8 phone events is remarkably deafening, in comparison to the hysterical response over the iPhone 5


"fan boys" must recognize that the Apple's story stock cannot trend upwards ad infinitum...
I foreshadow that Apple will shift into the product maturation stage within this Web 2.0 business cycle. Apple product launches would then parallel the feel of Nike's Air Jordan line


Windows 8 phones have yet to impress Wall Street. On September 5, cynical traders sat through Stephen Elop's Lumia 920 presentation, while simultaneously entering orders to dump Nokia stock at a 15 percent loss on the session.


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I certainly don't know the "big picture" all that well but if my observations are accurate no one really even knows about Windows Phone. I haven't been in a store yet that gave them much counter-space compared with the iPhone and Android. I think there's an awfully good chance that Windows Phone will remain a small niche player and may eventually disappear. Then where will MS be? They will have written a smartphone front-end and shoved it down the throats of desktop users who will have stuck with Win7 and/or abandoned it for a Mac or something.

We shall see.

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Well, WP8 has mostly feature parity with the other main phones on the market(though slightly less in some areas). Even so, there's nothing "killer" about WP8 that makes it something that can dominate the market.
 

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I'd say we have to wait and see - Microsoft (nor it's hardware or carrier partners) appear to have tried to market the WP platform in the Americas or in western Europe very much at all, but have instead targeted "emerging markets" in places like China and India (which does make sense, given WP7 devices were basically mid-range hardware, at best) with lower-end hardware and very cheap pricing.

WP8 is now based on the same core that runs Windows itself, and applications written for the "modern" environment on Win8 can be ported over to Windows Phone fairly easily (and vice versa). Given the platform dominance Windows has on the PC/laptop market, and the fact that app developers already appear to be targeting Windows 8 (with some apps already available for both platforms), we'll have to wait and see. Microsoft has said they'll spend big on marketing both platforms, and their phone hardware options can now be decidedly considered fairly high-end now as well, so we shall see. I would bet Microsoft sticks with Windows Phone even if WP8 isn't a huge success - given where they're coming from in established markets (almost nonexistent market share), becoming the "third platform" behind iOS and Android would probably be a success for the WP8 platform. Being anywhere near 10% of a market that is tens of billions of dollars large each year isn't something to scoff at).
 

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No. Windows 8 will not be an iPhone killer, nor an iPad killer. But it's the first step on a huge improvement. Perhaps Windows 9 will be the killer.

One of the problems that Windows 8 has is that it has no central focus on Music, Video, and Books/Mags, unlike the iPhone. There's Windows Media Player, but it's not as integrated as iTunes is. And it's not as central to the functioning of the Windows Phone. Ideally, a Windows Phone 8 or Tablet 8 doesn't need a central manager, but we all know people want to backup their device to someplace other than the cloud.

It's a huge first step, but it needs a lot more fine tuning before it can compete with the iPad. And certainly, prices will have to come down on tablets.
 

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Windows Phone 8. Please get it right as Windows 8 isn't on a phone.

Sorry if I sound uppity, it's a gear grinder for me. I've found that if people refer to it as Windows 8 phone, they're usually making some statement that it isn't good enough or not enough to take on the iphone; which also says they're probably not saying something logical if they can't even get the product name right.

As for Windows Phone 8, in the big picture of things, it and android will end up smoothering the iphone. Fads don't last forever, success doesn't last forever. Microsoft knows this, ATT does, RIM definitely knows this, and so on. Usually when a company is revered as a physical force of GOD or near that, that is usually when the company or product peaks and it's on a downward slope.

Once you remove the hype and the phrase "because it's an iphone", you're left with something that has a bunch of apps and a stretched out screen when other products has better cameras, better UIs, differentiating features, better sound, better displays, and better overall; you can't logically think an iphone is better. If apps are what you only care about, android has more free ones than apple. If you care more about user experience and hardware, Windows Phones are better than an iphone.

There is also a larger ecosystem than apple's. You have the PC and its form factors, Windows Phone, and Xbox. The new Xbox next year will probably have the similar shared core of Windows, so you have three different devices with the same code and software can be readily developed and easily ported across different devices. Xbox has Xbox Music, so does Windows and Windows Phone. Barnes and Noble content will be able to be browsed across Windows Phone and Windows 8. A game on the new Xbox can have an easy port over to Windows on Xbox Live and possibly a small side game of it as well on Windows Phone. And if you're playing a game on both Xbox and Windows, you can pick up right where you left it on either device.

Compare this to apple, the only ecosystem there is ipad, iphone, and itunes. The mac doesn't even have a lot to do with anything other than another device to browse some content from certain apps. There isn't gaming development for the mac like Windows, and certainly not any games from a mac on an ipad or iphone and I don't think games from ios can port over to mac easily.
 

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Before Windows 8, Windows Phone 7.x was a totally different OS from Windows 7.

Windows Phone 8 *IS* Windows 8. It's all the same OS now, just customized to fit in a smaller factor (much like Windows Embedded is standard Windows that's customized).
 

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Before Windows 8, Windows Phone 7.x was a totally different OS from Windows 7. Windows Phone 8 *IS* Windows 8. It's all the same OS now, just customized to fit in a smaller factor (much like Windows Embedded is standard Windows that's customized).
Is not windows 8. It has components that are shared between windows 8, but it's still a distinct OS.
 

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Windows Phone 8 shares the same core and APIs and design language as Windows 8, that's it. The UIs and user experiences are two TOTALLY different things. The only thing in common are live tiles and tiles in general along with the some of the design language like heavy typography based UIs. Windows Phone doesn't have a Charms bar, no PC Settings, no universal search tool, no Desktop, no File Explorer. Windows Phone works on similar type hardware as Windows RT, but even then, Windows RT hardware is a whole step up from Windows Phone. To say the UI of Windows 8 is simply scaled to fit a phone form factor is quite honestly, an uniformed statement.
 

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I said nothing about scaling the UI. You apparently only read what you wanted to read.

Windows phone 7.x (and earlier) phones used an OS that was based on Windows CE, which despite the name very different from desktop or server Windows versions. It had a completely different kernel, different driver models, different API, different filesystems, different graphics systems, etc... Not so with Windows Phone 8, which is using the exact same kernel and other features as Windows 8.

Windows Phone 8 is similar to Windows Embedded in that you can pick and choose which components you want to include, and you can pick and choose how the OS optimizes things (for example, to favor smaller amounts of memory over performance). It uses the same kernel, same file system, same network stack, same graphics, same drivers, Full Internet Explorer 10, Same Bitlocker, etc..

It *IS* Windows 8 for ARM (aka Windows RT), but customized for a smaller device (and i'm not talking about screen size). In fact, Windows Phone 8 has more in common with Desktop windows than iOS has with desktop MacOS, even though they're also the same OS but customized differently.

It's like how Desktop Windows is the same os as Sever Windows. They are two different versions of the same OS, each with their own set of apps and unique configurations. Windows Phone 8 just has a lot fewer of those apps and features included.
 

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I said nothing about scaling the UI. You apparently only read what you wanted to read. Windows phone 7.x (and earlier) phones used an OS that was based on Windows CE, which despite the name very different from desktop or server Windows versions. It had a completely different kernel, different driver models, different API, different filesystems, different graphics systems, etc... Not so with Windows Phone 8, which is using the exact same kernel and other features as Windows 8. Windows Phone 8 is similar to Windows Embedded in that you can pick and choose which components you want to include, and you can pick and choose how the OS optimizes things (for example, to favor smaller amounts of memory over performance). It uses the same kernel, same file system, same network stack, same graphics, same drivers, Full Internet Explorer 10, Same Bitlocker, etc.. It *IS* Windows 8 for ARM (aka Windows RT), but customized for a smaller device (and i'm not talking about screen size). In fact, Windows Phone 8 has more in common with Desktop windows than iOS has with desktop MacOS, even though they're also the same OS but customized differently. It's like how Desktop Windows is the same os as Sever Windows. They are two different versions of the same OS, each with their own set of apps and unique configurations. Windows Phone 8 just has a lot fewer of those apps and features included.
Extending your logic, You can say that iOS IS OSX. They're both based off of the same core. They have mostly similar APIs, including app deployment, networking, image processing, and cocoa UI. I'm pretty sure that no one, even apple fanatics, will agree that the iPhone runs the same OS as the Macbook.

Also, Windows 7 IS Vista because they have the same APIs and capabilities.Same graphics, same drivers, same bitlocker, same full IE9, same filesystem, same network stack, etc.

Android IS ubuntu because they have the same linux kernel. Safari IS Google Chrome, because they support the same APIs and features, and share the same rendering engine. While we're at it, most GM cars are the same car because they have common interchangeable engines and suspensions, and only the UI(outside) is different.
 

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I said nothing about scaling the UI. You apparently only read what you wanted to read.

Windows phone 7.x (and earlier) phones used an OS that was based on Windows CE, which despite the name very different from desktop or server Windows versions. It had a completely different kernel, different driver models, different API, different filesystems, different graphics systems, etc... Not so with Windows Phone 8, which is using the exact same kernel and other features as Windows 8.

Windows Phone 8 is similar to Windows Embedded in that you can pick and choose which components you want to include, and you can pick and choose how the OS optimizes things (for example, to favor smaller amounts of memory over performance). It uses the same kernel, same file system, same network stack, same graphics, same drivers, Full Internet Explorer 10, Same Bitlocker, etc..

It *IS* Windows 8 for ARM (aka Windows RT), but customized for a smaller device (and i'm not talking about screen size). In fact, Windows Phone 8 has more in common with Desktop windows than iOS has with desktop MacOS, even though they're also the same OS but customized differently.

It's like how Desktop Windows is the same os as Sever Windows. They are two different versions of the same OS, each with their own set of apps and unique configurations. Windows Phone 8 just has a lot fewer of those apps and features included.

I was assuming you were meaning Windows 8 in itself, GUI included, is Windows Phone 8. My bad.
 

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The only advantage the iPhone has on Windows Phone 8 now is the number of Apps and that will change. Most of the big apps weren't created for Windows Phone 7 because it didn't support native code and yet with that limitation there are over 100,000 apps in less than two years. It reached that number faster than any platform before it. With WP8 and native code support it means that ANY app coded for iPhone can be easily ported over to WP8 so it won't be long before the App library is competative. A number of developers of major iPhone Apps have already announced WP8 versions are coming.
 

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Saying that W8 phone will have any impact on the iphone is just hilarious. I can just see Apple fretting about the new windows phone. :p

Maybe when the windows phone absolutely falls on it's face they will do away with this silly experiment once and for all.
 

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The only advantage the iPhone has on Windows Phone 8 now is the number of Apps and that will change. Most of the big apps weren't created for Windows Phone 7 because it didn't support native code and yet with that limitation there are over 100,000 apps in less than two years. It reached that number faster than any platform before it. With WP8 and native code support it means that ANY app coded for iPhone can be easily ported over to WP8 so it won't be long before the App library is competative. A number of developers of major iPhone Apps have already announced WP8 versions are coming.

Not only that, considering the amount of Windows 8 apps already being developed and the ones coming, they will have an easy port over to Windows Phone. There's that, and the already announced game developers that have done Windows game development for Windows Phone.
 

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To say the iphone is better than Windows Phone 8 or android, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf5-Prx19ZM&feature=player_embedded

As an android user, I can say that the iPhone has certain advantages over Android. Now, I would not consider switching, but for people who don't care for real multitasking, rooting, cooking, and flashing, I think an iPhone may be a better choice. When putting WP8 against iOS and android, it has a few advantages, but has no significant edge over either OS.
 

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Extending your logic, You can say that iOS IS OSX. They're both based off of the same core. They have mostly similar APIs, including app deployment, networking, image processing, and cocoa UI. I'm pretty sure that no one, even apple fanatics, will agree that the iPhone runs the same OS as the MacBook.

I basically said that already in my post. iOS is very similar to MacOS, and one could call it a subset of MacOS. Much like Windows Phone 8 is a subset of Windows 8 RT. One big difference is that there is no ARM version of MacOS. However, there are differences. The iOS kernel is not identical to the MacOS kernel. In windows 8, the kernels are the same, just tuned differently.

Also, Windows 7 IS Vista because they have the same APIs and capabilities.Same graphics, same drivers, same bitlocker, same full IE9, same filesystem, same network stack, etc.

This is just ridiculous, and a total failure of logic. Vista and 7 are different versions of the same OS. Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 are different *editions* of the same os version.

Android IS ubuntu because they have the same linux kernel. Safari IS Google Chrome, because they support the same APIs and features, and share the same rendering engine. While we're at it, most GM cars are the same car because they have common interchangeable engines and suspensions, and only the UI(outside) is different.

No, because Android apps do not use the kernel, they use the android API and run in the Dalvik virtual machine. You could change the kernel to the Windows kernel, and android apps would be none the wiser. In that respect, anyone that says that Android is an example of the success of Linux really doesn't understand Android, because the kernel it runs is an implementation detail, and irrelevant to the platform.
 

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Extending your logic, You can say that iOS IS OSX. They're both based off of the same core. They have mostly similar APIs, including app deployment, networking, image processing, and cocoa UI. I'm pretty sure that no one, even apple fanatics, will agree that the iPhone runs the same OS as the MacBook.

I basically said that already in my post. iOS is very similar to MacOS, and one could call it a subset of MacOS. Much like Windows Phone 8 is a subset of Windows 8 RT. One big difference is that there is no ARM version of MacOS. However, there are differences. The iOS kernel is not identical to the MacOS kernel. In windows 8, the kernels are the same, just tuned differently.

Also, Windows 7 IS Vista because they have the same APIs and capabilities.Same graphics, same drivers, same bitlocker, same full IE9, same filesystem, same network stack, etc.

This is just ridiculous, and a total failure of logic. Vista and 7 are different versions of the same OS. Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 are different *editions* of the same os version.

Android IS ubuntu because they have the same linux kernel. Safari IS Google Chrome, because they support the same APIs and features, and share the same rendering engine. While we're at it, most GM cars are the same car because they have common interchangeable engines and suspensions, and only the UI(outside) is different.

No, because Android apps do not use the kernel, they use the android API and run in the Dalvik virtual machine. You could change the kernel to the Windows kernel, and android apps would be none the wiser. In that respect, anyone that says that Android is an example of the success of Linux really doesn't understand Android, because the kernel it runs is an implementation detail, and irrelevant to the platform.
You're right that Windows phone 8 and Windows 8 use the same kernel and much of the same other stuff on top of that. You're also right that both systems support the Windows Runtime API. Whether they're truly the "same" OS is just a technicality that can be argued for either side. In the end, though, MS calls the OS on phones "Windows Phone 8", the OS on ARM "Windows RT", and the OS on x86 machines "Windows 8" or "Windows 8 pro." Using "Windows 8" to describe all of them is, well, kind of ambiguous.


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Android command line apps can be compiled directly from native code and run separately from any JVM. It's not done too often, but it is done. For example, see texlive for android and busybox for android. It's got the same kernel and low level APIs. It's just tuned differently and has a different user interface.:p
 

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