Windows 8 editions and backup to network

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Right now I'm on Windows 7 Home Premium, and Windows Backup does not allow me to save backups to a network volume. I would need a $90 upgrade to Windows 7 Professional for that.

So, I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me if Windows 8 will include network backups, or if I would have to buy Windows 8 Professional or some other edition.
 

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I'm pretty sure that I read that the backup app would backup to a network drive on the standard version of Windows 8. On a plus note, the $39.99 upgrade will put people on Windows 8 Professional, which would certainly include that feature.
 

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Right now I'm on Windows 7 Home Premium, and Windows Backup does not allow me to save backups to a network volume. I would need a $90 upgrade to Windows 7 Professional for that.

So, I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me if Windows 8 will include network backups, or if I would have to buy Windows 8 Professional or some other edition.

Hi there
Windows 8 currently allows you to backup to any volume -- however we only have the equivalent of "Ultimate" in the RP version so I can't say what will be in a "Home Premium" version.

I still think in any case whatever edition you are running it's worth spending 45 - 50 USD on a decent 3rd party robust backup solution -- if you do any serious work with computers the time you save by having decent backups makes the small investment here a no brainer. Acronis, Paragon and Macrium are all good choices here.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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I did invest in OS X for $20, which includes hourly incremental backups of my entire system, from which I can restore absolutely everything, or easily find specific files and folders, all wirelessly over my network for no additional cost, and it's all automatic without having to run third-party software...

I'm running Windows on a partition on my Mac, by the way.

I'm not keen on spending an additional $45 dollars to replace the built-in backup system with something that actually works; if they included it, it should work. :/

I kinda figured the Windows 8 preview would be an "Ultimate" sort of deal. I guess I'll have to wait for the release and an editions comparison page on the website like they have for Windows 7 editions now.
 

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I did invest in OS X for $20, which includes hourly incremental backups of my entire system, from which I can restore absolutely everything, or easily find specific files and folders, all wirelessly over my network for no additional cost, and it's all automatic without having to run third-party software...

I'm running Windows on a partition on my Mac, by the way.

I'm not keen on spending an additional $45 dollars to replace the built-in backup system with something that actually works; if they included it, it should work. :/

I kinda figured the Windows 8 preview would be an "Ultimate" sort of deal. I guess I'll have to wait for the release and an editions comparison page on the website like they have for Windows 7 editions now.

Hi there
what happens if your Mac isn't bootable -- does this backup include "Bare Metal Restore". If not then it's useless.

If you have to restore via an online system - unless your BIOS has a method of connecting to the Internet (some Asus Mobos have this I believe) then you are totally up that well known street without a paddle either.

(Macs don't normally fail on boot - I know but it IS possible - so I'd be interested on how you'd dig yourself out of this hole if it happened).

Cheers
jimbo
 

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I did invest in OS X for $20...
What happens if your Mac isn't bootable...
I really did not intend to start a Mac Vs. PC thread. Sorry for the obviously inflammatory remarks on my part.

To address your questions, you can't boot directly from a Time Machine backup. You boot from a recovery disk. This can be your install DVD, or a partition made by every install of OS X Lion on the boot volume, or a copy of that partition on any USB disk (1 GB or larger) made by Apple's free Recovery Disk Assistant app.

Once you boot from a recovery disk, you can get online to search for help with a full Safari browser, restore your system (including all files, apps, settings, etc) from any point in time with Time Machine, reinstall OS X by downloading it fully-updated from the internet or using an offline copy and updating later, and, finally, use Disk Utility to check, repair, erase, or partition any disk. ...all with a nice, full OS X GUI, not a command line or low-res "safe" interface.

I had my hard drive fail about a year ago. It took about four hours to go buy a new HDD, install it, and restore my entire system from a Time Machine backup. It was like nothing happened (except I have a faster disk that's twice the previous size!).

Oh, and Macs use EFI, not a BIOS. I'm not sure what you would do if the EFI system failed, but I'm not sure what you would do if the BIOS or EFI failed on a PC either. I'm assuming that's not what you mean by "fail on boot" though.
 
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Right now I'm on Windows 7 Home Premium, and Windows Backup does not allow me to save backups to a network volume. I would need a $90 upgrade to Windows 7 Professional for that.

So, I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me if Windows 8 will include network backups, or if I would have to buy Windows 8 Professional or some other edition.


So it works only in Win7 Pro and above, didn't knew that, but somewhere it's mentioned in the OS features.
This is a detail in Windows Backup. So far I didn't see it mentioned for Win8.

Here: Announcing the Windows 8 Editions
is a difference in features Between Win8 and Win8 Pro and the ARM version, but no difference that concerns windows backup.

Since in Windows Vista Home Premium there was no Windows Backup (a feature that I need), I was happy that Win7 Home Premium even had this feature (which it has). There was a feature change between Vista and 7 and it is expected again between 7 and 8: I don't see any backup difference between 8 and 8 Pro and maybe you don't need to upgrade to Pro. But we'll see after the release or after we find some detailed feature list.
 

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You're welcome!

We'll definitely find some extra info about all this after the final release in less than a month.
 

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Windows 8 also includes Windows file history which does hourly back up's of any files that may have been changed or modified.

The Windows 8 file recovery works perfectly fine for me, I've also tested the images and they work flawlessly. I always create a system image after all my programs are installed and Windows updates are installed, then I use a second partition for weekly back up's.

I won't bother getting into "what if" scenario's as the built in Windows file recovery and file history work perfectly as is. No need for an expensive third party back up program to muck things up.
 

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Time Machine is very impressive.
 

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Windows 8 also includes Windows file history which does hourly back up's of any files that may have been changed or modified.
Unfortunately, the folders it backs up are not configurable. it's libraries, desktop, favorites and contacts I believe. Wish you could pick folders from anyplace on the system.
 

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So, after the release and some light Googling, I still don't have a clear answer.

Wake up, dead thread, wake up!

If I upgrade to Windows 8, will I be able to use built-in backups with a network volume? Will I need the Pro version to do it?

Thanks!
 

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So, after the release and some light Googling, I still don't have a clear answer.

Wake up, dead thread, wake up!

If I upgrade to Windows 8, will I be able to use built-in backups with a network volume? Will I need the Pro version to do it?

Thanks!

I woke up! :sleepy:

Now that I use Win8 and already used the built in backup, I can say something about it.

I refer here to "backup and restore".

I do the built-in backup just like I did in Win7: the same functionality exists but now it's called "Win7 file recovery" in Control Panel. Previously in Win7, it was called "backup and restore".

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EDIT: I don't see the network on the basic edition!

I always use conventional HDD and no network drives. So it's for me hard to tell...

But I guess you need PRO for that. I saw Brink's tutorial here:
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/8956-system-image-create-windows-8-a.html?filter[1]=Backup%20Restore
Look at the Warning section in red.

The functionality is the same, and you probably needsomething like this:
Windows 7's Image Backup to Work with Network Shares | Maximum PC

In Win8 this functionality still works but tends to be replaced (deprecated) and will probably disappear for good in Win9. Read more here:
Windows 7 Backup and Restore deprecated (Windows)


I hope this is the built-in backup you're referring to.
Hope this helps.
 

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Thanks for the quick reply!

I just want Windows to back up my files to a network volume. It doesn't matter to me how it happens, as long as I don't have to pay for any more software; if it's included in Windows, then that's the backup I'm referring to.

It also kind-of looks like I can either buy a computer with "Windows 8" or if I just want to by the OS I have to get "Windows 8 Pro."

If that's right, I guess I don't have to worry about which 'edition' to buy. I still want to make sure it works with a network volume though, since that's the only reason I would have to upgrade.
 

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I'm reluctant to try to resuscitate this old thread, but I have the same problem described here, and I don't really see a final answer.

I still have Windows 8.0. I want to do the update to Windows 8.1. My wife and I got new machines in August 2013. I was able to do an image of her system to a local (USB) hard drive; but then we had to move (again) and I never got my machine backed up (and both of our USB-connected hard drives are packed away somewhere...). (I know, I'm asking for trouble by not having regular backups in place; but it seems even DUMBER to try to do a System software upgrade to 8.1 without SOME sort of backup!)

I worked my way through the crooked trail to find what version of Win 8 I am running. It just said "Windows 8", so I assume that I do not have the "Pro" version (and of course, Windows would NEVER label anything "Basic", or even "Home...") It is 64-bit. I purchased a nice Seagate Central 4 TB drive; but the install process was torturous. Ultimately, I got it to install as a drive under Network; but it did not map itself to a drive letter. I manually mapped a drive letter (F) to the network drive; however, neither Windows (7) Backup nor System Image will recognize the mapped drive. When I use the drop-down box to try to select the drive, the mapped drive does not appear and cannot be typed in. I would greatly prefer to use Windows "in-house" backup software, as opposed to any proprietary solution.

I Googled for ["windows 8" cannot map to mapped drive], and found this thread.

From researching other threads, it seems that the answer is that you cannot use the traditional Windows backup tools with any networked drive (NAS) unless you are running Windows 8 Pro (or Enterprise.) I see from this thread:
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/8872-backup-files-windows-8-a.html
... that in fact Windows 8.1 does away with the traditional Windows backup tools entirely. For people who still have standard PCs, are we then stuck with some sort of proprietary software solution (i.e. there IS no more "Windows Standard.")? What is recommended for Windows 8.1 users going forward?

I would greatly appreciate any updates anyone could provide on this topic.

Thanks,
gb
 

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It hasn't been deprecated.

It has been updated. Now uses vhdx format. Annoyingly, it does not seem to be backwards compatible with windows 7 system images.
 

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