Desktop make over?

josh4eaton

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along side the start menu i thing they should change the desktop as well instead of just using the same one over and over agian.... xp & vista & win7 they r all the same.:cry:
 

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How is Windows 8 identical to XP?
 

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I think this too. Microsoft needs to scrap the Aero design of the Desktop for metro design. It's an odd thing to have the two together. My bet is that by the Release Candidate probably later in a few months, we'll see the Desktop with metro design, with metro iconography and probably based more on typography.
 

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That would guarantee the destruction of Microsoft's "Enterprise Market" share. :eek:
 

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@IceFire- xp is the same as win8 just like the others r the same, icons r the same right click options r the same, overall look is the same task bar, time and date in the same place, aside from windows 8 they all have the same start menu. so far thats all microsoft has changed.

@COKE ROBOT-I agree, but i dont know about everything being metro.

@Lehnerus2000-I disagree, if microsft dont do more to change their OS there going to be forgotten about.
 

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Doomed without business customers


@Lehnerus2000-I disagree, if microsft dont do more to change their OS there going to be forgotten about.

So they should drop the market that makes all of their profit (businesses)?

The Apple crowd aren't going to swap their iDevices for W8.
I doubt that many Android users will swap either.
The tablet and phone markets are long gone. :(

If MS p*** off their business customers, then they will be forgotten soon enough.

If they are going to have to retrain their staff every couple of years anyway, businesses will swap to Linux:

  • No hardware upgrades required.
  • No licenses fees.
  • Easy to connect to existing Windows systems.
  • Immune to Windows malware.
 

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@Lehnerus2000-Im not understanding ur point here man. but as far as them dropping the market that makes the profit thats not what im saying, im saying just change it. u cant have the same thing for year and expect to be on top forever.

also, as far as the tablets go if they keep making them better they will one day have the ability to have a full and power full os on them witch will allow them to take over the laptop market.
 

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@IceFire- xp is the same as win8 just like the others r the same, icons r the same right click options r the same, overall look is the same task bar, time and date in the same place, aside from windows 8 they all have the same start menu. so far thats all microsoft has changed.
You have to remember the sole reason for Desktop's existence is for legacy applications, and for people that still need the familiar system. When Windows Vista came out there was a severe resistance, not because of the bugs and the overactive UAC system, but because it operated completely different to it's ancestors. Most people don't like having to rethink how to use their computer just to read their email. If they did, other OSs with very different interfaces, such as Mac OS X or Linux, would be much more popular.
@COKE ROBOT-I agree, but i dont know about everything being metro.
Mostly Metro for desktop would be a theme. Just think of Luna for XP (which made XP look different from it's predecessors) and Aero for 7. Nothing stopping anyone for making a Metro theme for desktop.
@Lehnerus2000-I disagree, if microsft dont do more to change their OS there going to be forgotten about.

And what is Metro? chopped liver?

You say that Windows 8 is the same as XP, and that Microsoft has to change Windows more or be forgotten. Can you please elaborate? What are the exact steps that you think Microsoft has to do in order to not be forgotten?

thanks.
 

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@Lehnerus2000-Im not understanding ur point here man. but as far as them dropping the market that makes the profit thats not what im saying, im saying just change it. u cant have the same thing for year and expect to be on top forever.

When was the last time you saw Texaco touting "new and improved Gasoline"? Because of Microsoft's business users, Windows is more of a tool than a shopping item.
If you had to drive to work and back everyday, would you like it if every time you bought a new car you had to learn how to drive all over again? No. You're in the car to get to work, not to drive.
 

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@IceFire- first off i like u ur fun to talk to.

2nd, yes u do see new Gasoline= electric, biodiesel.

3rd, ur point about cars... just take a look at cars from the 90s and the cars now, they r completely different. if u when to a car dealership today and sat down in a 2012 car u would have a hole list of "how do i do this's" maybe the driving part would be pretty close to the same but everything else is completely different.

4th, if u look at a computer as a tool (and id be willing to bet only about half of computer customers do) then go down to ace hardware and look at the tools they have there u would notice ur normal everyday tools then u would notice they have tools that r new and improved, like having more than one function or just simply being able to do it better than other tools.
 

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@IceFire- first off i like u ur fun to talk to.

2nd, yes u do see new Gasoline= electric, biodiesel.
last i checked Texaco wasn't into biodiesel, and the world still runs on gasoline
3rd, ur point about cars... just take a look at cars from the 90s and the cars now, they r completely different. if u when to a car dealership today and sat down in a 2012 car u would have a hole list of "how do i do this's" maybe the driving part would be pretty close to the same but everything else is completely different.
while it's true that the audio system has changed, you still use a steering wheel, pedals, gear shifters, and signal lights the same way you did thirty years ago. When you're driving you can take your time to figure out how to play a cd. When you are in rush hour traffic and late for work you don't want to try to remember how to steer, and when you're doing 120 KM/h down the highway you don't want to have to figure out how to stop the vehicle.
4th, if u look at a computer as a tool (and id be willing to bet only about half of computer customers do) then go down to ace hardware and look at the tools they have there u would notice ur normal everyday tools then u would notice they have tools that r new and improved, like having more than one function or just simply being able to do it better than other tools.
maybe, but you still pull a trigger to activate a power drill, and you still whammer away at something with the latest hammers.
 

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@IceFire-Texaco is not the only one.

my car point wasnt really about the way the car drives and i said that, it more about the way the car looks and the options the car has and the way u use those options. with brings me back to windows 8, im not saying change the way it works im saying change the way it looks.
 

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over the years MS and others have worked hard to make their product work better and faster, and when i seen windows 8 i was happy because unlike most others they have finally changed the way it looks even if it is just the start menu. i would just like to see more change, but not random change i agree it would need to be for the better but still change would be nice. i know i cant be the only one to think that.
 

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But what changes? and why? change for the sake of change is a disaster waiting to happen.
 

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Believe it or not ...

@Lehnerus2000-Im not understanding ur point here man. but as far as them dropping the market that makes the profit thats not what im saying, im saying just change it. u cant have the same thing for year and expect to be on top forever.

Believe it or not, that is exactly what you are saying.

Businesses don't want their employees work disrupted, unless they are guaranteed that the end result is higher output/profit.
These days the "productivity turn-around", has to be within a few days.

Many businesses are still upset about how disruptive the Office "Ribbon" was.
I regularly read comments (on other forums) from people who say, their businesses will never upgrade from Office 2003!

lehnerus2000 said:
Coke Robot said:
It would be saying, "Hey, we have a newer and faster version of Windows than Windows 7, but it looks the same and acts the same and does the same thing as before, but faster!"

That's exactly what Business Managers, IT & Network Administrators want to hear.
It means improved productivity and ROI.

They don't want to hear:
  • "All of our staff are going to have to be retrained."
  • "We are going to need more staff for the Help desk."
  • "We are going to have to buy new touchscreen-compatible hardware."

I have to document a simple IT project, as part of my Networking course.
The cost per employee is $6,000!

That doesn't include training, support or loss of productivity (due to employees not being able to generate the same output).
The cost will probably exceed $10,000 per employee, when these costs are factored in.
 

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ok this is just an example of what i mean by a new look. and maybe go a little farther than this.... Windows 9 Installer/UI [CONCEPT] - YouTube skip to about half way though.

Yeah that demo seems like change for the sake of change:

App dock on top: from what I can tell there's a perfectly useable taskbar on the bottom of the screen, and the Win7 implementation will operate virtually the same way. all this does is duplicate the taskbar, using big icons that waste screen space. Having the trash can with the apps (on the taskbar) is kind of nice, but a simple right-click -> move to trash works fine.

Program menu: I can't find anything that will allow me to view all programs. the icons such as Wifi, batterry, and update can do their job fine in the notifications bar. the Windows 7 start menu is much more functial and concise; users don't want to have to look for things everytime they want to do something.


Yes, that demo is cool. But I can't find any specifc thing that is vastly superior to Windows 7/8.

Since you're convinced that a completely different interface is needed, I'd reccommend that you use Mac os X or Ubuntu as your main OS for at least a week, which should give you a fresh perspective on what precisely could be changed.
 

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along side the start menu i thing they should change the desktop as well instead of just using the same one over and over agian.... xp & vista & win7 they r all the same.:cry:

Who has ever cared about the desktop, or the Start Menu, for that matter? The Windows 7 taskbar is the first and only decent program/folder organizer and launcher that Microsoft has ever created. The desktop is fundamentally flawed because it's modal and hidden most of the time. (The "Metro" thing is just another desktop, only stupider.) The Start Menu is fundamentally flawed because after you laboriously navigate to what you want, it GOES AWAY when you click on something. The Windows 7 taskbar has neither of these problems, plus it adds things like progress indicators and jump lists to the icons stored on it. It finally allowed me to get rid of jetToolbar.
 

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