What's coming after Windows 8.1? Any ideas?

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I'm starting to get the sense that Windows 8/8.1 is a sort of Windows Vista only with a lot less programming issues. It's certainly a faster, more stable OS than Vista but it reminds me of Vista because it's in between a sharp, very well done OS(Windows 7) and something that's coming up in the near future we have no idea what's going to be but it's certainly going to be better than Windows 8 given the number of complaints(most with reason) about it. So it seems to me it's gonna be something like Windows XP->Windows Vista->Windows 7 all over again, except this time the order will be Windows 7->Windows 8/8.1->Windows 9/X/Something better.

Do you guys feel the same way about this? Does anyone have any idea what's coming next?
 

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For me it was more like 7 good, 8 bad, 8.1 good. I doubt many others here share that view though. Right now its all rumors and conjecture as far as Windows 9 goes. Even the stuff right from Microsoft is pretty vague. They are tight lipped as always.
 

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This subject has been hashed over before. There are at least a half dozen threads on this forum that have been started pertaining to this subject that I can remember.

I think there's a pattern because there has always been a competition between hardware and software. I feel Vista was released by OEMs on machines of the day that couldn't handle the resource demands. Install it on more modern machines and it'll run just fine. 7 ran fine because new hardware tech caught up. Also during 7 era MSE was released which demanded less resource.

Now we come to 8/8.1 which was written lean and a lot of the bells and whistles were left out. This was performed so as to fit it on mobile devices to save on battery life.

I must ask > Why don't you just come out and say that you don't like 8/8.1 and leave it at that? It's really all a matter of opinion. Yes? That's not to say it's not ok to like it. No one is forcing anyone to like it, but I really do feel it's a matter of opinion and nothing else.
 

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Hi there
Suggest you logon to the Windows 9 Forum to continue this topic.

Windows 9 Forums

Cheers
jimbo
 

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I would not state that it is Vista. Even Vista had a few issues, that were carried over from XP SP3. As for 8, it is due to poor adoption, due to the mass majority are comfortable with 7, and businesses both private & Public service cannot migrate a lot of their software & apps to 8 is the biggest problem.

As for the rest of how 8 was done, it was pushed through by Sales & Marketing too fast. They wanted the idea that you could have an easy to use interface (Metro), which was not meant for desktops & non-touch interface. Metro remind a lot of people of the POS (Point Of Sale) Interfaces you see in restaurants.

Now the Desktop side you have a more efficient use of RAM, then you did in 7. 8.1 changed which you wanted to use. 8.1 Update 1 will look at hardware. If it does not see Touch Screen hardware, it kills the Metro Interface and brings back the conventional desktop. You still have access to Metro, along with can run them in a windows interface (ie Stardock Software's Metromix).

Most people have a tablet, smartphone & may also have either a desktop or laptop. Windows 8 was just not people ready. Good idea, but did not cook long enough in R&D. Same goes with Server 2k12.
 

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Personally I don't see Windows 8 as a failure at all. Since I prefer a traditional desktop environment I added Classic Shell, but all in all, 8 has always run very well on my PC and I have never regretted the $40 US I paid for 8 Pro when it first came out.
 

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What complaints are there? Other than the "interface" complaints. To be honest I don't think Ive seen any
 

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The Metro Interface gets most of the complaints. Logging in with a Live ID seems to be a bone of contention for some. Hidden and hard to find settings is one that pops up from time to time. A lot of what were issues for me in 8.0 have been fixed in 8.1 and update 1. I'm very happy with 8.1 as it is with no added third party start menu.
 

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Hi there
I absolutely HATED W8 when it first came out -- but I'm quite happy with W8.1 -- runs nearly everything I want - for OLD hardware I've still got an XP VM (Still cutting VINYL records - that software / hardware only runs on XP - but OK on a VM !!).

Boot directly to desktop was a real winner (8.1) without needing any 3rd party stuff. The whole system is snappier than W8 too.

The only thing I sort of "half missed" at first was the Start menu - but I use Custom toolbars which cascades the menus in any way I want -- looks rather like the "Classical" menu in XP.

If W8.1 update would allow a keyboard stroke to popup a custom toolbar --that would be great - but I'm not really bothered.

I don't have any interest in these so called "Metro" apps -- I usually run Windows with at least TWO monitors (one LARGE screen) and the only full screen app I bother with is if I'm watching a movie on the large screen.

Usually I like to Window applications since I'm often getting or sending info from one to another one such as translating documents, comparing websites, copying spread sheet workbooks / power point presentations and preparing multi-media stuff.

Metro apps are probably fine on a tablet but I use a computer for totally different purposes.

The Live ID account is easily bypassed - simply logoff the Internet at that point at install time and then you can log in / create a local account.

Cheers
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It's my feeling that Vista was released totally untuned. I got 32 bit Vista pre SP1 and spent hours going through stuff like Black Viper recommendations and reading up on the new services etc..

Other than the slow Explorer copy problem that i worked around by running one of the 3rd party copiers, most issues were caused by Services settings and lousy prefetch. After tuning the services(including disabling some) I printed out a table of the services and their current state/settings. I bought a machine with Vista x64 SP1. I made the same printout. All but a few of the services were set the same as my tweaks. The prefetch settings I changed to cache only boot files. The 64 bit machine did not have the slow copy in Explorer problem. That machine probably still has Vista on it as it runs fine.

Windows Seven unlike Vista, has a program prefetcher that works. I left that set to the default 3 3 registry settings.

Edit: It's cathartic to rant about this Vista pre SP1 since the services settings and getting rid of the crapware, like the unwanted av stuff, wasted weeks when I got that machine. So now I'll let it rest since I'm sure the regulars are tired of reading about it. :)
 

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What complaints are there? Other than the "interface" complaints. To be honest I don't think Ive seen any

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"
 

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What complaints are there? Other than the "interface" complaints. To be honest I don't think Ive seen any

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

She liked it a hell of a lot better than her husband did! But they had different tastes. ;)
 

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Oh, I hate that stupid, "xp good, vista bad, 7 good, 8 bad, 8.1 good, 9 bad" pattern recognition. Umm...in reality it was more like, "Xp sucks, wait until vista. vista sucks, use xp for ages and wait until 7. 7's good, refuse to acknowledge 8. 8 sucks but for different reasons."

After 8.1, Update 1 is to be released soon to expand 8.1 further out for mouse input. Basically, it's moving parts of the UI to be more accessible to a mouse pointer.

After that, 9 is coming out and if it has a start menu, that's a feature I'm disabling right away.
 

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Oh, I hate that stupid, "xp good, vista bad, 7 good, 8 bad, 8.1 good, 9 bad" pattern recognition. Umm...in reality it was more like, "Xp sucks, wait until vista. vista sucks, use xp for ages and wait until 7. 7's good, refuse to acknowledge 8. 8 sucks but for different reasons."

After 8.1, Update 1 is to be released soon to expand 8.1 further out for mouse input. Basically, it's moving parts of the UI to be more accessible to a mouse pointer.

After that, 9 is coming out and if it has a start menu, that's a feature I'm disabling right away.
Really. The only bad OS that Microsoft came out with, was Dos 4.x & WindowsME. ME only failed for the same reason as Vista. Microsoft shot the horse before it was out of the gate.

Even now they have stopped broadcasting Surface commercials, along with Windows 8. They spent more money on Windows XP, in promotional materials, commercials, then they have for any other OS. When Sales & Marketing stops promoting their own company's product. You know something wrong is going on.

The users did not decide which OS was wrong, with the exception of the two I mentioned. Microsoft did by their own failure to realize that you do not shoot the hand that feeds you.

When was the last time that you saw a Xbox commercial on tv? I cannot remember at all. All I ever see is PS4 commercials.
 

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I hope they do bring back a Start Menu. Maybe it won't be what we're used to, but dropping it entirely was a bad idea. If it weren't for Start8, I'd still be on Win7 on all my PCs (still am on 2 of 3). Win8.1 has some nice improvements under the hood, but I have no use for any of the Metro apps. I've downloaded a few to try, but the ones I tried were glorified front-ends for a web-based app, and lousy ones at that.

And I won't be using a Microsoft account any time soon. Google's tracking creeps me out to the point that I've dropped them as my primary email & mostly use Firefox instead of Chrome. And now it seems MS is going the same way. I know they've run the 'Scroogled' campaign, but it's naive to think they won't ultimately end up tracking you as closely. If stockholders see that they're leaving billions on the table because they're not tracking the way Google does (I get ads for fat women's clothes in Skype -- a corporate Skype account -- about as unrelated to anything I might ever purchase as I can possibly imagine), they're going to get sued -- and with good reason. I owned quite a bit of MS stock years ago, but I sold it after a year or two of no gains. And to think they ultimately went 14! And this new guy on the board, I bet he starts pushing it, too.

So for all practical purposes Metro is invisible to me. I even have a Windows 8.1 tablet that a Dell sales rep gave me because nobody was buying them. And I still always preferred my iPad with its fractured glass screen over the Dell. The real test was what I took when I traveled, & I didn't give taking the cracked iPad a second thought. I occasionally pull out the Dell, but even on it, I stick with the desktop.

The main things I'd like to see going forward are more refinements to its error-handling & performance, things like that. It's hard to believe that in 2014, a poorly-written shell extension can cause right-clicking to take 2-3 or even up to 8 seconds & Windows doesn't pop up a notice that says, "This APP shell extension is causing slowness, would you like to disable it?" It's ridiculous that I have to experiment with Autoruns, disabling them one-by-one to find the culprit. There are plenty of places like this where they could make improvements. They've already done the 'slow extension' thing in IE.

I did buy my first iMac last November, and I just got a new work notebook, & for the first time ever, I got a Macbook. It is concerns over MS' direction that led to both those purchases.
 

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They brought it back with 8.1. With 8.1 Update 1, it will look for a touch screen interface. If none is found, it defaults to the Desktop and then allows you to open Metro apps in a Windowed Interface. Same how Stardock Software's Metromix. I had no issue with running Start8 from Stardock Software on my son's laptop, and mine before I loaded Xubuntu, for school and personal reasons.

The biggest problem I had with Windows 8.1. Was when you attempt to load a folder on a Network share, that has 10's of thousand of files. Explorer locks up.

I cannot wait 24 hours to load a folder or do something, that I need to get done that day.
 

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I think that there are very good concept/ideas with Windows 8/8.1, I love the Video app, I use it all the time over even Media Player Classic HC, IE11 is great, I'm using it over Chrome, the Mail app(assuming you have an MS account) is also a great idea, being able to split the screen with links or whatever you feel like. I'm trying to like Windows 8.1 because I think there are good ideas coming out of it. I just don't like the original idea behind it, that it would be next step, that touch screen interface would take over. I guess they were guessing, maybe that was it, but boy did they guess wrong. And even if that was the direction of the market which it probably is in the long run, Microsoft should've realized it wouldn't be this soon.
But then, what could they possibly do to improve on Windows 7?? It was and still is the perfect (MIcrosoft) OS. You don't improve on perfection, ok, maybe there were a few things they could've done to improve it, but the direction they took with Windows 8 was such a
leap Microsoft seems not to know what to do with it anymore. Do they scrap it and start over with Windows 9? Do they lean back towards desktop users?
I don't know but they seem to be in a bad place right now, not knowing what to do next.
 

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From the information that I have seen. Windows 9 is going to become more cloud based. Basically 8.1 Update 1 with a few minor changes.

Unless they rebuild from the bottom up. Going the direction that Apple took, by using BSD as the basis for the OS vs. just taking OS-9 and changing a few things and calling it OS-X.

MS just keeps on hanging onto a bunch of legacy software built into Windows & the Server Software packages. Includes the Office product. MS needs to stop trying to make a Ferrari out of a Ford Pinto.
 

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    Mouse
    Logitech M525
    Internet Speed
    45/6 - ATT U-Verse
    Browser
    Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    None needed. It is Linux.
    Other Info
    Arris NVG589 Gateway; Router - Cisco RV320; Switch - Netgear GS108 8-Port Switch & Trendnet TEG-S50g 5-Port Switch; Access Points - Engenius ECB350, Trendnet TEW-638APB; NAS - Lenovo ix2-4; Printer - Brother HL-2280DW; Air Print Server - Lantronix XPrintServer

    A/V UPS - Tripp-Lite Smart 1500LCD 1500 Va/900 W.
Indeed and from what I have read, Windows 10 will be completely cloud based.
I guess, that activation will be linked to the login account, hard to circumvent.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 8.1.1 Pro x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo E525
    CPU
    AMD A4-3300M @ 2,0GHz
    Memory
    6GB DDR3 1333MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 6480G 512MB shared
    Sound Card
    Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Surround 5.1
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    WD 465GB
    Cooling
    Fusion Tweaker
    Keyboard
    Logitech K360
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Internet Speed
    50/50 MBps
    Browser
    Yandex
    Antivirus
    No AV & No Firewall
    Other Info
    Headphones: Sennheiser RS170
Indeed and from what I have read, Windows 10 will be completely cloud based.
I guess, that activation will be linked to the login account, hard to circumvent.

Install Linux. That should be circumvention enough.
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.0 x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba Satelite C55D-A Laptop
    CPU
    AMD EI 1200
    Memory
    4 gb DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Raedon 340 MB dedicated Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Built in
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    640 GB (spinner) Sata II
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Touch pad
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