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    Sorry I have not responded sooner, I have been busy.

    First off, it seems to be all music CDs that cause the problem, although I have not made a list. The specific CD that prompted this post was Madonna's Erotica (commercial CD from 1992). The CD works fine in my stand alone Blue Ray player and my son's PC running Windows 8 Pro, which would seem to rule out the CD or DRM being the cause of the problem.

    @caperjack I have set AUTO PLAY to play music CDs using WMP. This had no effect, the PC still freezes. I am unable to play the CD at all even if I open WMP and try to play the CD directly.

    If I open Windows Explorer to "This PC" ("My PC" seems to have been dropped from Windows 8.1) The address bar becomes a progress bar that goes green. After about 5 minutes the end of the green bar reaches the cancel 'X' at the right end of the address bar at which point the PC simply stops responding and I reach for the reset button.
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    It also occurs to me that I forgot to mention this is almost immediately after doing a reinstall of Windows 8 and immediately upgrading to Windows 8.1, so there was unlikely to be anything beyond Last Pass, Firefox and maybe Office 365 installed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    At one time Music CD's were a different format from your DATA CD's. It is conceivable that the optical drive or Windows could hiccup on one type and not the other. "A music CD" could be interpreted to mean a CD of that type. Like you, I took it to mean one specific CD didn't play fair.
    They still are - They use what is called REDBOOK AUDIO FILESYSTEM. All Programs that burn Audio CD's use this format, even iTines and Windows Media Player. iTunes even uses the CD-TEXT feature so that your player shows the make of song and artist.

    A Redbook CD has all bitrates from 44.1 kHz Stereo at 16 bit down to 11 kHz Mono at 4(?) bit, this is so the songs sound the same on all available redbook CD players, like those in a cheap stereo, maybe there is only one speaker.

    This is why CDs cannot be copied on a DAO basis, but only on a TAO basis- And you cannot make an IOS image of a music CD, only a Bin+Cue image, which will be one Cue sheet, and as many BIN files as is songs on the CD, each representing the WAV file of that song. Some CD images are one big WAV file with the Cue file, you drag them both into IMGBURN to burn it. Thats how the CDs were made in the first place, with Wav files and a Cue sheet.

    I master CDs for people once in a while and I make the master image file and the Cue sheets, I can tell you the format for CDs has NOT changed ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndg View Post
    Sorry I have not responded sooner, I have been busy.

    First off, it seems to be all music CDs that cause the problem, although I have not made a list. The specific CD that prompted this post was Madonna's Erotica (commercial CD from 1992). The CD works fine in my stand alone Blue Ray player and my son's PC running Windows 8 Pro, which would seem to rule out the CD or DRM being the cause of the problem.

    @caperjack I have set AUTO PLAY to play music CDs using WMP. This had no effect, the PC still freezes. I am unable to play the CD at all even if I open WMP and try to play the CD directly.

    If I open Windows Explorer to "This PC" ("My PC" seems to have been dropped from Windows 8.1) The address bar becomes a progress bar that goes green. After about 5 minutes the end of the green bar reaches the cancel 'X' at the right end of the address bar at which point the PC simply stops responding and I reach for the reset button.

    If you have a CD in your hand, you need not worry about DRM, you own it, it is a physical object. You can even rip the tracks to MP3. and you should, if the CD can be read on another machine.

    It sounds like a problem then, with your Physical Optical Disk - If this is a new computer, I'd take it back and make them give you a brand new optical drive.

    If Windows is at fault, then you can run the DISM command

    from a admin command prompt



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    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    At one time Music CD's were a different format from your DATA CD's. It is conceivable that the optical drive or Windows could hiccup on one type and not the other. "A music CD" could be interpreted to mean a CD of that type. Like you, I took it to mean one specific CD didn't play fair.
    They still are - They use what is called REDBOOK AUDIO FILESYSTEM. All Programs that burn Audio CD's use this format, even iTines and Windows Media Player. iTunes even uses the CD-TEXT feature so that your player shows the make of song and artist.

    A Redbook CD has all bitrates from 44.1 kHz Stereo at 16 bit down to 11 kHz Mono at 4(?) bit, this is so the songs sound the same on all available redbook CD players, like those in a cheap stereo, maybe there is only one speaker.

    This is why CDs cannot be copied on a DAO basis, but only on a TAO basis- And you cannot make an IOS image of a music CD, only a Bin+Cue image, which will be one Cue sheet, and as many BIN files as is songs on the CD, each representing the WAV file of that song. Some CD images are one big WAV file with the Cue file, you drag them both into IMGBURN to burn it. Thats how the CDs were made in the first place, with Wav files and a Cue sheet.

    I master CDs for people once in a while and I make the master image file and the Cue sheets, I can tell you the format for CDs has NOT changed ever.
    I've got some that just play like a normal music CD and some that don't. I have a couple that when inserted into a PC optical drive will prompt you to install a proprietary player to play them. Some type of DRM. The same CD when put in a boom box just plays like any other music CD. I haven't delved into it to see what's what, its just something I noticed.
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    yah, there are some CDs that have an extra Data Track, so when you pop em in your PC or MAC they have a nice little player with info and some other features, it is usually some kind of Website with some controls inserted to play the content.

    Those would be on a Data track on the disk, but the rest of the disk is still Redbook.

    Most CD players for Auto nowadays can play MP3 and some even Audio DVDs, I've never seen an Audio DVD, but the AUDIO_TS folder on a DVD is for this exact thing, it has never been implemented. To make an MP3 disk, it is just a data disk. iTunes makes those as well, but I prefer the regular Redbook disks.

    Disney may be trying to make some new CD format that has some damned DRM, I will never be caught buying anything like that, if I buy a new CD and I CANT play it in my car CD player? It gets returned.
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    I still have an old (since early '90s) Beatles CD with lyrics and album covers but it is all in .Wav files, each album, one big file. It has it's own menu for listening and viewing lyrics and pictures. It still plays on computer but I have no idea where they stuck them, there's no trace of them.
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    Is it one of those CD's with the big red "1" on it? I have one of those, I should look at it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    I still have an old (since early '90s) Beatles CD with lyrics and album covers but it is all in .Wav files, each album, one big file. It has it's own menu for listening and viewing lyrics and pictures. It still plays on computer but I have no idea where they stuck them, there's no trace of them.
    I think so, I put away all the CDs and DVDs last month, scarcely use them any more.
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    One of these days I'll but a 3-disk DVD player, that way I wont have to get up until after the 3rd moovie. I have thousands of DVDs and CDs, I just got a 250-CD Player, it does with my Kenwood Surround Sound system.
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