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Hi everyone
Discussing W8 / W8.1 quite a few people have come up with the question of why do people need more than one monitor.

Anyway I was looking at a SAP DEVELOPER screen - and even here you can see why having TWO or even THREE screens would be ideal for this application.

There's a HUGE number of reasons why people at work (and home) can USEFULLY use more than one monitor -- and they are getting cheap enough now to do it.

SAP developer screenshot enc. I've arrowed the three pieces that could usefully be on separate screens. Remember the developer might want to test the application and step through it.

Result of the query also shown --this is definitely useful on a second screen.

(BTW try and develop these sorts of things on Mobile phones or iPads !!!!!)

Cheers
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I don't use SAP, but I have to say it still looks awfully like the screen on my PC at work much of the time.

Also, when I don't have a second monitor (working away on my laptop) the ability to arrange the screen like your post (with a few rows of data above or below something else) is crucial - hence my big problem with Metro.
 

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I don't use SAP, but I have to say it still looks awfully like the screen on my PC at work much of the time.

Also, when I don't have a second monitor (working away on my laptop) the ability to arrange the screen like your post (with a few rows of data above or below something else) is crucial - hence my big problem with Metro.

Hi there
I think a lot of development IDE's (e.g IBM's Eclipse and a load of others) are often quite similar -- the point was that the individual bits / frames need a decent separate WORK AREA and this can't be done decently on a single screen - and the output / result of the application also needs its own area too.

Imagine also if you had a PROD machine and a DEV / TEST Machine - and you needed to repair something that had broken in PROD --You'd want to step through code / behavious on BOTH machines simultaneously -- no good on a single full metro screen. !!!

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MySQL Workbench would be nicer with the various sections broken out onto different monitors.
 

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MySQL Workbench would be nicer with the various sections broken out onto different monitors.

Hi there.

I think you've proved my point -- in the future things like MySQL workbench should have the sections available to be used on separate monitors -- people now want and expect to be able to use these and the cost of the hardware is now cheap enough to make it worthwhile -- to say nothing of the productivity increase that the developer gains.

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I usually am happy with just 1 40" monitor. But when I am running Pro Tools, I have to use 2, so I can have the Edit screen on one side and the Mixing console on the other.
 

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Hi there
the "....But when ..." . in your post says that even when you are normally happy with ONE monitor it's still nice to be able to use TWO when you want to.

Case closed M'lud.

Next case please. !!!

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Once you've used two monitors you wonder why you hadn't done it sooner. ;)
 

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Being an Oracle / PeopleSoft developer I live what Jimbo is talking about daily. We need several tools open simultaneously in order to get our job done as effectively as possible. The development environment, often several sessions tied to different databases, sql development tool, text editor, web browser, online documentation, migration / change control tools etc etc. Then the payroll manager calls saying production pay calc just crashed and burned so let's open up several more sessions to find out what's going on. I run 2 monitors so I can spread everything out on more real estate.

But, in the future according to Micro$oft we won't need any of that. We just need one, maybe two programs open at a time because Metro / Modern / whatever it is named today is superior. Yeah, right, that's it. Bite me Ballmer. Don't even tell me about "the desktop". Just the thought of that festering spaghetti Modern crap running in the background using my cpu cycles and memory chaps my butt.

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I've been on 2 monitors at work for so long, it's about as normal for me as having a keyboard. I run a 24" Dell Ultrasharp (1920x1200) as well as the 14" laptop display (1600x900). I'm considering adding 1 more 24" Dell to the mix and work with both 24's and have the laptop display as my scratch space.
 

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I've been on 2 monitors at work for so long, it's about as normal for me as having a keyboard. I run a 24" Dell Ultrasharp (1920x1200) as well as the 14" laptop display (1600x900). I'm considering adding 1 more 24" Dell to the mix and work with both 24's and have the laptop display as my scratch space.

Same here. been using two Dell's for many years. 30" and a 24". Not like this is anything new or revolutionary.
 

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Hi there
This amply proves the point that for a LOT of business applications the whole idea of a full screen METRO app is totally BONKERS.

Actually how do the Ms developers themselves work -- I'd imagine they would also need debugging and test tools as well as a decent development IDE. I can't imagine them all doing their work on a single FULL screen metro type interface.

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Hi there
the "....But when ..." . in your post says that even when you are normally happy with ONE monitor it's still nice to be able to use TWO when you want to.

Case closed M'lud.

Next case please. !!!

Cheers
jimbo

That's why that particular system has two video cards, I have two 15" monitors I use when I take the system out in the field. Here at home, I use the 40" HDTV, it's only a slight inconvenience.
 

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Hi there
This amply proves the point that for a LOT of business applications the whole idea of a full screen METRO app is totally BONKERS.

How? You're example showed two full screen apps running on separate monitors. How exactly does that prove that full screen apps are bad?
 

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Hi there
It's not that full screen apps themselves are per se bad --it's just that for all sorts of development work as amply shown in previous posts in this thread you simply HAVE to have various bits of the application on different monitors - plus if you are in a Work environment where say you are running the company Payroll for example and your production system crashes -- Well I'm sure most people want to get paid on time so the developer will need to run the application with his changes on a TEST system while at the same time comparing the behaviour with what's happening on the PROD system. While it possibly could be done on a single monitor - for decent debugging of code and looking at variables etc and viewing the output you'd need to have several CONCURRENT windows open -- and this is conveniently done with separate monitors.

So @ Mystere -- imagine your company payroll had failed -- how would you go about fixing it with ONE monitor only running in full screen mode !!!. (No concurrent windows !!! so you couldn't show code / breakpoints / variables etc at the same time or compare side by side what was running on the DEV / TEST platform).

Or an even simpler example -- you are replacing an application with something else -- You really need to show the OLD and NEW systems concurrently too --it's not that it's impossible to do but who would want to deliberately work with a handicap that's easily eliminated.

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Pro Tools is the only app I use that is made for 2 screens by default, and he only one I use that way - If I had my 42" HDTV still working, I'd have that set up too and I'd have all of my systems hooked into it as Dual Monitor.
 

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So @ Mystere -- imagine your company payroll had failed -- how would you go about fixing it with ONE monitor only running in full screen mode !!!. (No concurrent windows !!! so you couldn't show code / breakpoints / variables etc at the same time or compare side by side what was running on the DEV / TEST platform).

I wasn't responding to your comments about one monitor. It's ridiculous to claim nobody needs more than one monitor, as plenty of people do. And plenty of people who don't NEED more than one monitor certainly can use more than one monitor productively. I don't know who these mysterious "lots of people" you refer to are, but i'm guessing it's probably just one or two, as multiple monitors is something people have been using for a long time, and something that Windows 8 supports quite well.

I was responding to your quote about full screen apps being useless and ridiculous. My response back to you was, that you're using an example of two full screen apps on separate monitors to claim that full screen apps are ridiculous? That is, in itself ridiculous.
 

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Full screen apps ARE ridiculous though - At least implemented the way Windows 8 implements them. On my iPhone I have a modification called "background Manager" and so if I have 4 programs running, they truly remain running in the background, so when I pull them back up, they are right where I left them.

Not So with Windows 8 tile apps. They RESET each time you switch - NO native backgrounding. iOS has NATIVE backgrounding - Meaning, even if I did not have Background Manager installed, I can run each app as long as 15 minutes before it goes to sleep. In that way, "Full Screen" iOS apps are not as hideous as full screen Windows 8 apps. Also, I have an extender that sends my iPhone output to HDMI, and it shows on my HDTV. Unfortunately there is no Dual Screen support for the device. But I really don't NEED it, as even the native backgrounding is sufficient most of the time.

But in Windows 8, the ONLY Backgrounding you get is in Desktop Applications. All tile apps have NO native backgrounding support.
 

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Full screen apps ARE ridiculous though - At least implemented the way Windows 8 implements them. On my iPhone I have a modification called "background Manager" and so if I have 4 programs running, they truly remain running in the background, so when I pull them back up, they are right where I left them.

Not So with Windows 8 tile apps. They RESET each time you switch - NO native backgrounding. iOS has NATIVE backgrounding - Meaning, even if I did not have Background Manager installed, I can run each app as long as 15 minutes before it goes to sleep. In that way, "Full Screen" iOS apps are not as hideous as full screen Windows 8 apps. Also, I have an extender that sends my iPhone output to HDMI, and it shows on my HDTV. Unfortunately there is no Dual Screen support for the device. But I really don't NEED it, as even the native backgrounding is sufficient most of the time.

But in Windows 8, the ONLY Backgrounding you get is in Desktop Applications. All tile apps have NO native backgrounding support.

I think it might be how the "Tile" app is designed as far as background running. iHeartRadio for instance runs in the background all day at work while I use other "Tile" apps or desktop apps. It does not time out after 15 minutes and if I hear a new song that I want to know who it's by the application does not RESET when I switch back to it. If I open another "Tile" app otherwise knows as a Modern app, that needs access to the sound system iHeartRadio will suspend while the other Modern app plays, as it should. Unfortunately, that can't be said about desktop apps, and is my only complaint with Windows 8 or 8.1. The modern environment does not seem to know about the desktop. If iHeartRadio is playing and I open a desktop app that requires the sound system, both apps play forcing me to switch to the Modern app to pause it.
 

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It's just too much trouble, most Tile apps reset when you move to Desktop. The Start Screen has no sufficient native backgrounding - It depends on the APP, in iOS it depends on the System.
 

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