We know W8 has problems -- but let's get the BEST from it

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Hi there
over the last few weeks we've had load and loads of posts (usually from the same group of people) complaining about the SAME features that they believe should either be included or omitted from W8.

I think pretty well everyone on these Forums knows that obviously there are some issues with W8 but let's get the Forum back on track -- by helping people to get the BEST out of W8 / W8.1 either by using little known features (for example a lot haven't yet realized the usefulness of custom toolbars) or third party add ons such as menus / classic shell etc.

Ms isn't going to abandon W8 -- and with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism windows 9 (or whatever it might be called) might contain the BEST of both W7 and W8.

And also W8 itself isn't so difficult to use - even for desktop applications provided you do a little bit of work and don't give up after the first 30 mins or so. (I agree that we SHOULDN'T have to do all this work after installing the OS - so that's a fair criticism but even that has been posted to death too).

Anyway just my take on this one as I think a lot of people are simply getting bored reading the same old posts over and over again when really we should be concentrating on getting the best possible use out of W8/ W8.1

Cheers

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:ditto:
 

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So far, the more posts I read about these 8.1 problems are driving me AWAY from installing 8.1 at all. I got 8, and it works great, so I'm keeping it.

Most of the posts in this area are now hideous Windows 8.1 insidious problems. My advice to everyone, DON'T INSTALL IT. Stick with 8, it's less aggravation.
 

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Jimbo is right MS are not going to abandon Windows 8 but my guess is that their once loyal customers are going to abandon them. No company even one as big as MS can get away with selling something the near majority of people don't like or understand. Windows 7 was developed with productivity in mind but Windows 8 has been developed from top to bottom for profitability in mind only. I read that an estimated .54% of businesses worldwide are using Windows 8 and lets hope for MS sake the figure doesn't go up anymore than this. Windows 8 in a mass enterprise environment would be a complete catastrophe and not just with staff training but also with custom software and most office printers and the like. IMO Windows 8.1 is even worse than the first OS runt of the litter Windows 8.0 or that prematurely born OS, Vista.
 

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I read that an estimated .54% of businesses worldwide are using Windows 8 and lets hope for MS sake the figure doesn't go up anymore than this.

That is funny as it is. It doesn't need the next couple of sentences to explain it.;)
 

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That's hilarious!
 

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Jimbo is right MS are not going to abandon Windows 8 but my guess is that their once loyal customers are going to abandon them. No company even one as big as MS can get away with selling something the near majority of people don't like or understand. Windows 7 was developed with productivity in mind but Windows 8 has been developed from top to bottom for profitability in mind only. I read that an estimated .54% of businesses worldwide are using Windows 8 and lets hope for MS sake the figure doesn't go up anymore than this. Windows 8 in a mass enterprise environment would be a complete catastrophe and not just with staff training but also with custom software and most office printers and the like. IMO Windows 8.1 is even worse than the first OS runt of the litter Windows 8.0 or that prematurely born OS, Vista.

The OS has only been released for 8 months. Most businesses take a minimum of 1 year to evaluate a new OS before even starting to plan a migration. Most of those businesses have been in the process of planning a Migration to Windows 7 because XP is nearing its end of life. As such, it's not surprising that businesses aren't flocking to it, regardless of whether it is terrible or the best thing since sliced bread.

I am, however, seeing a lot of interest in Windows Server 2012, which is Windows 8 for servers. There are a lot of new features in Windows 8, and the new Virtual Machine licensing is very attractive.

I mean, come on.. businesses didn't even start Windows 7 migrations until last year, and Windows 7 came out in 2009!

So please don't pretend that this is some kind of bell weather indicator, as it's simply not.

Windows 8 *IS* more productive than Windows 7 for people that actually give it a chance. I hate going to back to Windows 7 at work. I'm far more productive on 8, and that has nothing whatsoever to do with Metro.
 

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Windows 8 SE may have its problems but it is a preview so stuff is going to happen to some of us. I had issues installing from the app store but a reboot resolved that. Other than that I've been problem free. :ditto: to what jimbo said. 8 had its problems and we offered help with those so why not offer up the same help for those that installed the SE?
 

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I love windows 8, I believe most people have issues with the EUFI being so stubborn about not allowing things..

Its like the hardware version of "do you want to allow?" from vista!

The metro area is a bit messy, but I expect we will have apps soon to clean that up and organize it.
 
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With respect to Server 2012, it has some great management features and it has SMB 3.0. And you get an option of loading the OS without a GUI at all.

I've yet to talk to a systems admin who saw that they included the metro garbage in server 2012 and that that it was a good idea. I went to the Windows Server 2012 launch event and everybody, including the MS fanboys were just rolling their eyes.

I don't think 8.0 is a bad OS. But I don't think 8.1 is going to do alot to change most peoples minds. It brings a few extra nicety features to the enable, but doesn't eliminate the things that really drove most people nuts.

We are running it (8 Pro) on about 8 machines at work now, and they are fine. We are all productive still. But many of us on 8 at work, aren't paying money to upgrade 7 at home.
 

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I can't imagine Metro being in Server as being any feature that people who run servers would even WANT.
 

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In re: 8.1
Read between the lines (MS list of things to be aware of). The simple warning is: "DO NOT install 8.1 Beta on any pc other than a spare one". Ain't got a spare? Wait til 8.1 (finished version) has been released for at least 6 weeks.
 

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In re: 8.1
Read between the lines (MS list of things to be aware of). The simple warning is: "DO NOT install 8.1 Beta on any pc other than a spare one". Ain't got a spare? Wait til 8.1 (finished version) has been released for at least 6 weeks.


I did, and so far, it's been fine apart from a few (to be expected) bugs.

But if I did happen to have problems, there are images of both Win 7 and Win 8 on this machine (plus a known working image of 8.1).

And the other lappy has Win 7, while the desktop runs Vista.

I'll be OK.


Wenda.
 

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I still have my Dell Precision 370 Workstation, I plan on installing 8.1 Fresh on that. Maybe I'll even install 8, and then up it to 8.1 to see what it does. But I've got 8 pretty much fine-tuned for both of my main machines, I like it, I'll stick with it until I know if I'll like 8.1 better or not. I wasn't expecting top like 8 as it is... I would not be surprised if I like 8.1 - But I'd rather put a full version or at least a newer Beta.
 

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one 8.1 feature i really like is that i can set all apps to show as the default start ,i just fine tune it and can runn all my desktop apps from it , i have a fresh/full install of 8.1 in a duel boot with win8 and find myself booting to it the most now
 

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one 8.1 feature i really like is that i can set all apps to show as the default start ,i just fine tune it and can runn all my desktop apps from it , i have a fresh/full install of 8.1 in a duel boot with win8 and find myself booting to it the most now

Yeah, I like that feature, too. It now works much better as a program launcher than the Start Screen ever did. In fact, all my Start Screen is used for, is an app-launcher.

Here's an extract from a post of mine on SF, with a few more tips that may help some readers.

Oh, and Jimbo...thanks for the reminder on the programs menu, I'd used it in the W8 DP, but had forgotten the steps. I'm not actually using it, but wanted it for demonstration purposes.

But in 8.1, you need never even see the Start Screen, and you don't need 3rd-party stuff to do it. Simply right-click on the task-bar then go to Properties>Navigation. There, you can customise how Win 8.1 starts, and what it starts to. See pic 1 below.

The All Apps screen can be accessed directly now, without having to go through the Start Screen. All Apps is still somewhat shambolic, but new customising options do help. With a few more options (like being able to hide and move tiles more easily), it could become a viable Start menu. The potential is there. See pic 2 below.

There are at least two ways to get a replacement (of sorts) for the Win 7 Start menu without resorting to 3rd-party programs like Classic Shell or StartIsBack. Firstly, there's the old and all-but-forgotten Quick-Launch tool bar.

Enable Quick-Launch toolbar by first unlocking the taskbar. Then right-click on the task-bar and go Toolbars>New Toolbar. Then drill down to C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer. Highlight, but do not open, the Quick Launch Folder, then click on OK. Go back to the task-bar, and you'll see it is enabled. Configure it by moving the two vertical bars, then re-lock the task-bar. Done! See pic 3 below.

There's also a version of the old 'Win 95/98/XP classic' Start menu cleverly hidden in 8 and 8.1 as well. I used it on the Win 8 DP before I discovered 3rd-party fixes, and it works reasonably well.

Enable 'Classic' Start Menu by following Jimbo's tutorial here... More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8 - Page 18 - Windows 7 Support Forums See pic 4 below.

All screenshots taken from Windows 8.1 preview.

With a few of these mods, plus turning unwanted features like SkyDrive, universal search, and the calls home to MS, I'm actually quite liking 8.1

I've added the pics referred to in the quote.

Wenda.
 

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So, you can use the same Wallpaper for Metro as you have set for Desktop? That's kind of useful...
 

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So, you can use the same Wallpaper for Metro as you have set for Desktop? That's kind of useful...

Yeah, it's no big deal, but at least now you can do it natively, you don't need a Start Screen customizing program/app.

But too bad if you want the Start Screen/All Apps pic to be different to your desktop wallpaper...that still isn't happening.

Still, it's a Start... (sorry!!).


Wenda.
 

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How about if your Wallpaper changes ever 30 seconds?
 

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    Hitachi 40" LCD HDTV
    Screen Resolution
    "1842 x 1036"
    Hard Drives
    WDC WD50 00AAKS-007AA SCSI Disk Device
    ST1000DL 002-9TT153 SCSI Disk Device
    WDC WD3200AAJB-00J3A0 ATA Device
    WDC WD32 WD-WCAPZ2942630 USB Device
    WD My Book 1140 USB Device
    PSU
    Works 550w
    Case
    MSI "M-Box"
    Cooling
    Water Cooled
    Keyboard
    Dell Keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Intellimouse
    Internet Speed
    Cable Medium Speed
    Browser
    Chrome/IE 10
    Antivirus
    Eset NOD32 6.x/Win Defend
    Other Info
    Recently lost my Windows 8 on my main PC, had to go back to Windows 7.
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