I am posting this as a followup and I want everyone to know I had no intention of hijacking anothers thread and I applogize. 1) Hard drive was fine according to Lenovo. 2) bought new 1TB Seagate 7200 and a 64GB SSD. Installed 8 on SSD and it was great, but so is 7. 8 on 1tb 7200 is slow initial loading ok after 4 to 5 minutes. 7 is like a throughbread on the 1TB so I will have to say that no matter what numbers may say my 8 is slower. yes both were 64bit, only drive was changes and no bloatware on either. I will appologize once again and dissappear from this thread. I will not reply any further so if you have anything to say message me.