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Replacement Start Menus - Consensus of opinion

  1. #21

    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64

    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    Thanks on the wallpaper. And, Fuji, not sure, but it looks like it. I am sure the toolbar requires use of some system resources, but I'd think not as many/much probably as a third-party start-menu replacement. I have never noticed any kind of a startup slowdown, but that would be pretty much impossible to document anyway. I never notice a delay when accessing the toolbar virtually, but, on my brick and mortar Win8 installation, I sometimes note a small delay in accessing it.
    Thanks for the info.
    All in all is better to use the toolbar approach rather than adding extra services to the system through third party programs.

    Also depends on the user and its favorite program or solution.

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  2. #22

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    windows 8 pro x64

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    @ Wenda. Thanks for input. I did try Classic Shell in earlier testing, but I prefer something that duplicates as closely as possible Win7 Orb Start Menu.

    I can live without a legacy start menu and use start screen and create tool bars to AppData, User, Programs; and replace jump start menu with icons attached to taskbar, but it's all there in Win7 Orb ready set up. And quicker to use than the above.

    Since I don't use Metro apps, and work entirely on desktop, I want something that boots straight to it. And don't wan to jump off desktop to access start screen.

    Horses for courses of course! No pun intended, it's not Randwick already!

    Startisback is your way to go. I happily use it . Directly goes to desktop. I never remember metro UI
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  3. #23

    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64

    All nice and well.
    Installing one start menu fixes everything. Installing them all on the same machine... I don't know... will they all claim place with their own start orb?

    I'm just curious if it ever happened before, if someone did this already.
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  4. #24

    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    I have been a big advocate of Ex7For8 to restore the traditional Win7 Orb Start Menu, and up until recently it had been OK. But after installing a batch of recent updates, on start up it takes about 30 seconds after the desktop appears before any apps can be run. And when I click on an app/program it takes another 30 seconds to open it.

    Once any given app/program has been opened once, it re-opens next time at normal speed. This only happens when boot is straight to desktop which is running Windows 7 Explorer shell. If boot is to Metro, all apps/programs open instantly. So it seems Ex7For8 has run it's course of usefulness.

    Is there a consensus of opinion as to which is the best restoration start menu, and which one most most closely resembles the original Win7 Orb Start Menu?

    Or are there as many preferences as there are alternative start menus?

    I'm currently running StartIsBack in trial mode and it seems to have fixed the problem.

    What I want to know is if this is running Explorer 7 or 8?

    And has anyone encountered problems with it?

    And how much it costs after the trial runs out?
    While I was using Win8 I used Stardock's "Start 8" which worked just fine. As to your start-up lag, I doubt the menu enhancement is responsible for that by itself - unless the product you described is running some kind of background process on start-up. I didn't see that with Start8 particularly.

    The Windows desktop system is *always* going to take the same amount of time to load up regardless of the speed of presentation of the Metro GUI. The architecture of the Windows system hasn't changed that much. Everybody needs to get over the "instant" start-up myth ... it's smoke and mirrors. If you have a busy desktop subsystem it's always going to take the same amount of time to load up services as it always has. If you experiment with it for awhile you'll find that on start-up even the Metro apps take longer to load while the desktop is initializing in the background - even though the Metro has presented itself quickly.

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  5. #25

    Oh Boy. Now I did it !

    One of the problems is being too brief, with inadequate details and explanations.

    * I'm referring to the difference between updates and new software inserted into the registry and specific programs that target Windows 8 and either amend parts of it or otherwise plant instructions that specifically interfere with it's normal function.

    Yes, the registry is being changed practically by the minute.

    * As to voiding warranty's, I suppose that someone with lots of time could catalog, step by step, who, how, why, when a long list of warranty's could, or would, be voided. However, in my case my new HP came with Windows 8 *( OEM Regular, pre-installed ).When I ran into trouble described here in another post recently, I updated to Windows 8 Pro. *( Which didn't fix the problem ). So I phoned HP tech support and they told me that installing Win 8 Pro voided my 80 day software warranty. It isn't much of a stretch to know that conventional wisdom says installing 3rd party software that modifies Windows 8 on a new computer under warranty voids the warranty.


    Hey Guys don't assassinate the messenger. It was HP, not me that spoke. I'm giving you the straight inside Skinny.

    If the tinkerers want to butcher Win 8, go to it with my warning and blessing. I have no dog in this "fight". Just be happy with your mangled abortions. You're just making it increasingly difficult for Microsoft to fix the existing problems. Please just be honest when you come with your crying towel looking for help to fix your mess.

    And that gets a big smiley face
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  6. #26

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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin

    Mangled abortions
    Yet you claim

    I have no dog in this "fight".
    Those two statements don't line up.

    Installing a different os from the one provided by the oem might seem grounds for what HP said - they probably only support the os it came with. For example they may not drivers etc for win 7. However, their use of that to invalidate win 8 pro is absurd. They are being a nuisance. Don't buy HP is the answer. Bit late for those who already have one, sadly.

    Those of us in Europe - specifically in the UK have pretty good statutory protection when buying consumer goods. I don't know what they do elsewhere. Warranties here cannot over ride statutory protection. In some cases they extend that - and afford better protection, but it is rare. A lot of people don't know that and fall for the "warranty is out of date" nonsense.

    I have just returned a computer part myself. It wasn't what I wanted. Under the Distance Selling Regulations - retailer is not allowed to apply restocking fees or anything else. They must return all your money. That doesn't apply if you have used the item. There are different protections under the Sale of Goods Act in those circumstances.
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  7. #27

    Hi SIW2

    Friends can disagree without being disagreeable. Your participation in this exchange of views is certainly welcome. I sent 17 years of my life on 4 continents in 70 countries and I always appreciate learning about site specific matters such as you have described.

    I'm an exclusive purchaser of HP . All of my computers, printers, cameras are exclusively HP and have been for many years.

    HP's voiding my warranty didn't bother me in the least. I already had Guruaid on annual contact with unlimited phone calls.

    I have to say that I don't have a problem with the tinkerers who want to reinvent the wheel. If that's how they get their Jolly's and puff up their ego, they are competing as amateurs and laymen with the best and brightest in the industry as well as forking over money to the 3rd party charlatans who sell for economic pocket money.

    Enjoy. That's what we here in America are all about. Freedom of choice.
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  8. #28

    Posts : 17
    Windows 8 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    @ Wenda. Thanks for input. I did try Classic Shell in earlier testing, but I prefer something that duplicates as closely as possible Win7 Orb Start Menu.

    StartIsBack doesn't look like it belongs with Windows 8.

    Start8 looks like it belongs with Windows 8 and works superbly with some great features.
    And the developers are constantly adding new features.
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  9. #29

    Quote Originally Posted by Stigg View Post
    StartIsBack doesn't look like it belongs with Windows 8.

    Start8 looks like it belongs with Windows 8 and works superbly with some great features.
    And the developers are constantly adding new features.
    I agree.
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  10. #30

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    Windows 8.1 Pro

    Windows 7?....
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