Solved Win8 OEM System Builder License

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Here is a link concerning the new OEM System Builder license. (Edit: Perhaps I should have emphasized originally that I am talking about the OEM System Builder [Personal Use] License even though that is what I linked to). Below is a snip of, to me, its key provision, although there are other important provisions allowing use on a second machine and sale to a another individual. MS always seems to muddy the water when it comes to the OEM System Builder license. Ignoring the VM possibility, the way I read the snip is that 8 can be used, for example, as one of the operating systems of a dual boot given installation on a separate partition. Do you think that this literal interpretation is what MS means. Why would a dual boot, for example, be required? And, why wouldn't one be able to install on a second drive--not just a separate partition?

OK fine, even if my literal interpretation is correct, then I, for one, am up for buying a Win7 computer, partitioning it, and going for the OEM system builder dual boot--thus extricating myself from the clutches of MS, my computer manufacturer, and crapware. Also, why not just buy a new Win8 machine and obliterate everything there--starting over with UEFI, if desired, and doing the dual boot.

My understanding is that MS is being pretty loose, at least informally, in interpreting its OEM System Builder license. I doubt that even, for example, the dual boot thing is an operational requirement. What would be the point?

I am interested in anything you have to say about the interpretation given above and about the MS operational interpretation of it OEM System Builder license.
 

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hi, ms is not say it has to be used in a duel boot ,they are saying it canbe used in single boot or a duel boot on your present computer ,lets say running win7 ,,and i think a harddrive partition is considered a another hard drive ,when it comes to duel booting .


quote-thus extricating myself from the clutches of MS, my computer manufacturer, and crapware.

dont see how you think that using the system builder version will solve this delmia.
i think the only way to solve that is sell you computer and buy a pet rock .lol
 

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hi, ms is not say it has to be used in a duel boot ,they are saying it canbe used in single boot or a duel boot on your present computer ,lets say running win7 ,,and i think a harddrive partition is considered a another hard drive ,when it comes to duel booting .
That is not how I read what MS wrote WRT to anything you say. Do you have evidence that what you say is true. I am looking for experience or something in writing that provides decent evidence that MS is, or is not, to be taken literally on this important matter. duel not = dual.


quote-thus extricating myself from the clutches of MS, my computer manufacturer, and crapware.

dont see how you think that using the system builder version will solve this delmia.
i think the only way to solve that is sell you computer and buy a pet rock .lol
Clean install.
 
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I'm not so sure that I should wade into this subject but as they say - where Angels fear to tread.

I have to admit up front that I haven't researched this subject in great depth. But from what I read so far I'll comment knowing that I may not be accurately addressing the questions.

But first let me add that my grandchildren are Whiz Kids at computers. My Granddaughter, 22, graduated college and she is currently working for a law firm. Her present goal is to go on to law school next year. Her apparent interest is in "intellectual property". So I'm interested in this thread to discuss with her soon.

As to Microsoft's "clutches" they do not sell their software. They only license it. So that's a "gotcha". According to one of my Grandsons he can hack me in 30 minutes and bypass my passwords. Further he claims he can download music and Microsoft OS's including Windows 8 free. *( I saw that one young lady was taken to court for pirating music and she was convicted ).

I'm ambivalent about lawyers, some good, some bad, some absurd. But whenever you are in very deep doo do they are certainly popular. Whatever they write is always subject to breaching, circumnavigation, flaunting, but with the luck of the draw, in major cased, the breach of patent or protection or pirating is always subject to legal redress that can cost millions.

I have just set up a 3 computer wireless network. First is a new purchase 2 weeks old HP desk top with Windows 8. Second HP desktop with Windows 7. Third HP desktop with Windows Vista. Following the advice of a poster, I didn't partition disc. He said - Don't do it. It apparently amends some older registry. I know that it complicates setting up a network.

I upgraded #2 this week from W7 to W8 with purchased disc. Unfortunately I can't upgrade #3 because it doesn't have sufficient RAM and it will be 32 bit which I do not want in W8. But, all computers are on my local area private network in home group and communicating. *(I still have a couple of issue to resolve but they should be soon ). All three talk to each other. They all recognize my one printer. And I can access library's, folders and files. *( There's a painful glitch with passwords that needs to be resolved ).


I purchased the W7 - W8 upgrade at Costco for $66.99. I was considering the MS W8 download costing $39.99 for #3.


So now we enter into the arena of honesty, morality and piracy. Each to be triaged. The $39.99 download, according to my understanding, can be saved to a disc or a flash drive. Legally it can be added to a hard drive in partition. It can be installed also onto a computer(s), owned by the purchaser. Technologically this appears, at least on the surface, to be possible.

So what is to prevent me, or others, from passing the disc or flash drive along to my family and friends ? Seemingly nothing but my conscience. But maybe also not !!!

The offer to sell W8 for $14.95 to anyone who purchased a computer after June 2012 with W7 is limited to 5 purchases. A 6th will be rejected. According to what I have found, those who want to game the system have applied for computers dating back 1 and 2 years but somehow MS chose to reject. They knew !

I'm a very old timer at this dating back to the 1980's. I remember when a computer cost $8, 000 and there wasn't any software. We had to hire a software writer for $3,000. In the 1990's I paid $1,500 for a computer. 5 years ago a terabyte cost over $2,000. Today you can buy a terabyte for around $119 - $130!

Today, that is currently, I paid $499 for a computer with 500 GB and the software included.

I can't fault either Microsoft or Hewlett Packard. They have produced magnificent advances in technology that have placed computers and software into the realm of affordability for hundreds of millions. So I find Microsoft's discounted offers entirely reasonable.


But, there is always a but, there is usually method to madness. As Gillett used to say: We'll give you the razor, you buy the blades !!! Enough said ! i.s. hint- *( Ms apps store ).
 

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As to Microsoft's "clutches" they do not sell their software. They only license it. So that's a "gotcha". According to one of my Grandsons he can hack me in 30 minutes and bypass my passwords. Further he claims he can download music and Microsoft OS's including Windows 8 free. *( I saw that one young lady was taken to court for pirating music and she was convicted ).
I didn't have in mind getting out of MS's clutches when it comes to licensing vs owning.

I have just set up a 3 computer wireless network. First is a new purchase 2 weeks old HP desk top with Windows 8. Second HP desktop with Windows 7. Third HP desktop with Windows Vista. Following the advice of a poster, I didn't partition disc. He said - Don't do it. It apparently amends some older registry. I know that it complicates setting up a network.
Partitioning wouldn't be a problem.

I upgraded #2 this week from W7 to W8 with purchased disc. Unfortunately I can't upgrade #3 because it doesn't have sufficient RAM and it will be 32 bit which I do not want in W8. But, all computers are on my local area private network in home group and communicating. *(I still have a couple of issue to resolve but they should be soon ). All three talk to each other. They all recognize my one printer. And I can access library's, folders and files. *( There's a painful glitch with passwords that needs to be resolved ).
I am glad you are making such good progress.

Thank you for your comments.
 

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hi, ms is not say it has to be used in a duel boot ,they are saying it canbe used in single boot or a duel boot on your present computer ,lets say running win7 ,,and i think a harddrive partition is considered a another hard drive ,when it comes to duel booting .
That is not how I read what MS wrote WRT to anything you say. Do you have evidence that what you say is true. I am looking for experience or something in writing that provides decent evidence that MS is not to be taken literally on this important matter. duel not = dual.


quote-thus extricating myself from the clutches of MS, my computer manufacturer, and crapware.

dont see how you think that using the system builder version will solve this delmia.
i think the only way to solve that is sell you computer and buy a pet rock .lol
Clean install.
no evedince ,just the way i read it ,i don't have win8 upgrade ,but i would assume it has to be used to upgrade the present os on you computer ,so you would not be able to duel boot with thw win7 you have installed now .
i have duel boot win7 and win8 [with xp pro in VM]but both are full version ,not upgrade.and i think im perfectly within what it said in your first post link
 

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Maybe I am missing something, but the Q&A's say:

"Can I transfer the software to another computer or user? You may transfer the software to another computer that belongs to you. You may also transfer the software (together with the license) to a computer owned by someone else if a) you are the first licensed user of the software and b) the new user agrees to the terms of this agreement. To make that transfer, you must transfer the original media, the certificate of authenticity, the product key and the proof of purchase directly to that other person, without retaining any copies of the software. You may use the backup copy we allow you to make or the media that the software came on to transfer the software. Anytime you transfer the software to a new computer, you must remove the software from the prior computer. You may not transfer the software to share licenses between computers. You may transfer Get Genuine Windows software, Pro Pack or Media Center Pack software only together with the licensed computer."
 
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Good luck:

I am intensely interested as I will transmit to my Granddaughter, next couple of days.
 

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This person makes an interpretation like mine in post #1. Quoting, she says:

"This week, one of my contacts passed on to me a new bit he learned about the planned system builder pricing, which will be what white-box vendors (smaller OEMs) will be expected to pay per copy for Windows 8. Microsoft officials also have said the do-it-yourself (DIY)/build-your-own-PC crowd and those installing Windows 8 in a virtual machine or separate partition will be able to purchase System Builder versions of Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro."

Here's another although it may implicitly refer to the above article.

And another, but this one doesn't menton the separate partition part.

Another

Here's another that says almost exactly what I did in post #1: The pertinent quote is as follows:

"
I run Windows in a virtual machine (VM) on my Mac. What's the damage? Looks like $99.99 for Windows 8, $139.99 for Windows 8 Pro, is the cheapest bet for now.

Those are Newegg.com's pre-sale prices for what Microsoft is now calling "System Builder" -- formerly known as "OEM" -- an edition aimed at small-scale or homebrew PC makers, as well as users who want to run the OS in a virtual machine or in a dual-boot setup on a Mac or PC.
"

They go on and on. Here is the last one I will link. And, one more quote taken from this link:

"
It's the System Builder license that has changed. The System Builder license is still the license that small OEMs will use on the machines that they build and sell. However, it has a new usage right: the Personal Use license. With the Personal Use right, end users can buy a System Builder license and use it on a machine they self-build, or as an operating system installed on its own partition in a dual-boot configuration, or in a virtual machine."
 
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Good luck:

I am intensely interested as I will transmit to my Granddaughter, next couple of days.
Check out the quotes above. The authors' interpretations are the same as my original ones. And, transmitting seems OK as long as you follow the rules--assuming I am understanding what your are planning to do.
 

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I think your miss the point on that original link.

System Builder product may be used:

•As the operating system on a PC you build for personal use.
•As an operating system running either on a local virtual machine or as an additional operating system in a separate partition.

There are 3 ways to use the OEM system builder software.
1) it can be installed as the only OS on your system
2) it can be installed as a Virtual OS on a system with another OS.
3) it can be installed on another partition (same drive or 2nd drive) as a dual boot.

The restriction is it can only be installed on one PC at at time in any of the 3 ways, but can be moved to another PC after you un-install it from the previous PC.

Jim :cool:
 

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Yep, that's what's said above. Do you have any evidential support for "our" view to add? My only problem with the view is that MS is so notoriously bad at saying what it means that it may not mean what it said. :D But, heck they said it; they are going to have to live with it--at least for a while. I think I'll buy my system builded ASAP, before they take their words back. Otherwise, I still don't understand why they tie things to running on a VM or on a separate partition in a dual boot. Why not just let individuals buy it and do what they want with it? What's the point unless it is to limit purchases of the system builder/personal use license combo. Whatever, MS says "you may transfer the software to another computer that belongs to you." MS says that without qualification about how it is installed. Go figure. Silly Company. Can't think for squat.
 
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    Dual Boot:
    Win7 Ult RAID 0 on OCZ Revo x2 and
    Win7 Ult RAID 0 on Caviar Black SATA 3's
    PSU
    Cooler Master Silent Pro 1000W
    Case
    Cooler Master 932 HAF
    Cooling
    Zalman CNPS9900MAX-B CPU Fan
    Keyboard
    Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500
    Mouse
    Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500
    Internet Speed
    20 Mbps Download/2+ Mbps Upload
    Other Info
    Pioneer Blu-ray Burner/DVD Burner
VM and Dual Boot are not requirements, they are additional choices in addition to a single OS install.

Jim :cool:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64BIT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS - Home Built
    CPU
    AMD Phenom II X6 1100T
    Motherboard
    ASUS M5A99X EVO
    Memory
    Crucial Balistic DDR-3 1866 CL 9 (8 GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI R6850 Cyclone IGD5 PE
    Sound Card
    On Chip
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VE258Q 25" LED with DVI-HDMI-DisplayPort
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Two WD Cavier Black 2TB Sata 6gbs
    WD My Book Essential 2TB USB 3.0
    PSU
    Seasonic X650 80 Plus GOLD Modular
    Case
    Corsair 400R
    Cooling
    Antec Kuhler H2O 620, Two 120mm and four 140mm
    Keyboard
    AVS Gear Blue LED Backlight
    Mouse
    Logitech Marble Mouse USB, Logitech Precision Game Pad
    Internet Speed
    15MB
    Antivirus
    NIS, Malwarebytes Premium 2
    Other Info
    APC UPS ES 750, Netgear WNR3500L Gigabit & Wireless N Router with SamKnows Test Program,
    Motorola SB6120 Gigabit Cable Modem.
    Brother HL-2170W Laser Printer,
    Epson V300 Scanner
I indicate clearly above that the two items you mention are alternatives. Indeed, that's part of the main thrust of this thread. See post #1. Single install is only OK initially if you are doing a DIY rig.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    DIY Rig; MacBook Pro (MBP)/Parallels/Boot Camp; HP Pavilion dv6500t Laptop
    CPU
    Intel i7-2600K (sometimes OC'd to 4.8 GHz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS P8P67 Deluxe Rev B3
    Memory
    16 GB Corsair Vengeance
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 570 SC
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Gateway
    Hard Drives
    Dual Boot:
    Win7 Ult RAID 0 on OCZ Revo x2 and
    Win7 Ult RAID 0 on Caviar Black SATA 3's
    PSU
    Cooler Master Silent Pro 1000W
    Case
    Cooler Master 932 HAF
    Cooling
    Zalman CNPS9900MAX-B CPU Fan
    Keyboard
    Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500
    Mouse
    Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500
    Internet Speed
    20 Mbps Download/2+ Mbps Upload
    Other Info
    Pioneer Blu-ray Burner/DVD Burner
I really don't understand what your question is. You've written a lot of convoluted things, and various responses... it's unclear to me what it is exactly that you're asking, and that's why you're getting such varying responses because I don't think anyone else knows what you're asking either.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    CPU
    Intel i7 3770K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z77X-UD4 TH
    Memory
    16GB DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia GTX 650
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Auria 27" IPS + 2x Samsung 23"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440 + 2x 2048x1152
    Hard Drives
    Corsair m4 256GB, 2 WD 2TB drives
    Case
    Antec SOLO II
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000
    Mouse
    Logitech MX
I think that no one is reading what I have written particularly carefully. Some of what I have written may be somewhat complicated, but not convoluted. How about going back to square one? I think you are a good reader. I think that you will understand if your read carefully and don't put too much store in what the off topicers and hip shooters say. It's all easy and very clear if the reader knows what to emphasize. To get started, especially emphasize my first paragraph in post #1. Things should flow smoothly from there if you ignore all the irrelevancies.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    DIY Rig; MacBook Pro (MBP)/Parallels/Boot Camp; HP Pavilion dv6500t Laptop
    CPU
    Intel i7-2600K (sometimes OC'd to 4.8 GHz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS P8P67 Deluxe Rev B3
    Memory
    16 GB Corsair Vengeance
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 570 SC
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Gateway
    Hard Drives
    Dual Boot:
    Win7 Ult RAID 0 on OCZ Revo x2 and
    Win7 Ult RAID 0 on Caviar Black SATA 3's
    PSU
    Cooler Master Silent Pro 1000W
    Case
    Cooler Master 932 HAF
    Cooling
    Zalman CNPS9900MAX-B CPU Fan
    Keyboard
    Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500
    Mouse
    Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500
    Internet Speed
    20 Mbps Download/2+ Mbps Upload
    Other Info
    Pioneer Blu-ray Burner/DVD Burner
hi, ms is not say it has to be used in a duel boot ,they are saying it canbe used in single boot or a duel boot on your present computer ,lets say running win7 ,,and i think a harddrive partition is considered a another hard drive ,when it comes to duel booting .
That is not how I read what MS wrote WRT to anything you say. Do you have evidence that what you say is true. I am looking for experience or something in writing that provides decent evidence that MS is not to be taken literally on this important matter. duel not = dual.


quote-thus extricating myself from the clutches of MS, my computer manufacturer, and crapware.

dont see how you think that using the system builder version will solve this delmia.
i think the only way to solve that is sell you computer and buy a pet rock .lol
Clean install.
no evedince ,just the way i read it ,i don't have win8 upgrade ,but i would assume it has to be used to upgrade the present os on you computer ,so you would not be able to duel boot with thw win7 you have installed now .
i have duel boot win7 and win8 [with xp pro in VM]but both are full version ,not upgrade.and i think im perfectly within what it said in your first post link
I don't think you are on topic.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    DIY Rig; MacBook Pro (MBP)/Parallels/Boot Camp; HP Pavilion dv6500t Laptop
    CPU
    Intel i7-2600K (sometimes OC'd to 4.8 GHz)
    Motherboard
    ASUS P8P67 Deluxe Rev B3
    Memory
    16 GB Corsair Vengeance
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 570 SC
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Gateway
    Hard Drives
    Dual Boot:
    Win7 Ult RAID 0 on OCZ Revo x2 and
    Win7 Ult RAID 0 on Caviar Black SATA 3's
    PSU
    Cooler Master Silent Pro 1000W
    Case
    Cooler Master 932 HAF
    Cooling
    Zalman CNPS9900MAX-B CPU Fan
    Keyboard
    Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500
    Mouse
    Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5500
    Internet Speed
    20 Mbps Download/2+ Mbps Upload
    Other Info
    Pioneer Blu-ray Burner/DVD Burner
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