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    Problem adding new Windows 8 to existing Workgroup


    I have a home network set up by geeksquad. They have set up a filesharing where the public drive is on my only PC with a Vista Operating sys. They have a WORKGROUP called WORKGROUP. I connect everything else wirelessly. Have 2 Windows 7 Home laptops connected. A shared printer is also connected.

    I now have a new laptop with Windows 8 and just want to add it in. I named the Homegroup WORKGROUP and I can see the other computers when I click on network, but I can't access them. When I click on the other computers especially the Vista PC with the public drive, it asks for a network user ID and password. I tried everything I can think of and it keeps telling me password invalid.

    So my new laptopwith Windows 8 has yet to be added to the filesharing and printer sharing. Any ideas?


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    Try using your logon ID and Password on the Vista Machine. Things tend to work easier/better if HomeGroup is setup on all computers possible. Be sure file and printer sharing and network discovery are enabled on all computers and that you have shared what you want on the new computer. Be sure password protected sharing is not enabled on any computer. Post back with progress or the lack of it. Your network should be shown a Private (or Home, perhaps) network on all computers. WORKGROUP should be shown as WORKGROUP on all computers.
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    And this may sound crazy, but your c: drive or whatever drives you have should be shared. They probably are but you do not mention this.


    I have this problem frequently, when i cannot access another pc in the network, i go to the other machine, can access my pc and then my pc can access the other machine.

    This is strange but i do not have an explication for this.

    Just getting used to it.

    But your problem might be something else.

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    Actually, I've experienced the same sort of thing. Strange.
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    Well Znod,

    maybe someone else here on the board knows the answer.....


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    Workgroups and Homegroups are completely different things. Vista does not support Homegroups. Homegroups is a newer service that started in Windows 7 to 'make it easier' to file share between machines. Workgroups, however, are the way Vista and prior networked (in a home setting), where each machine is configured to use the same workgroup name, in the same local LAN network, and folders are manually shared.

    With Vista not supporting Homegroups, you'd have to pretty much disable Homegroup on all the windows 7 and windows 8 machines and configure them to use the more old fashioned workgroup networking methods used in Vista/XP. Disabling the Homegroup service, ensuring all machines are set to the same workgroup name, and disabling 'password protected sharing' are ideal ways to do this. If you preferred password-protected shares, getting them to work right requires more option tweaking and some bit of advanced user management/configuration which is more than I'd like to get into here. =p
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    Using HomeGroup for the Win7/Windows 8 machines will not interfere with what needs to be done WRT these machines//Vista. Regardless, there is no seriously compelling reason to use HomeGroup or not for the Win7/Windows 8 machines. Why do you say "pretty much" disable Homegroup on all the Win7/Windows 8's? You are right, of course that HomeGroup and WORKGROUP are different things and, thus, that OP couldn't have "named the Homegroup WORKGROUP.
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    Just to keep it simple, Use WORKGROUP for your home network.
    There are 2 things you need to do:
    1- After you share a drive, you need to right click on that drive->Properties->Security then click on Edit and add "Everyone" as user name in the list if it does not exist, set permission to full if you want to have full access with read/write to the drive.
    2 - Go to control panel and open "Network and Sharing Center", on the left, you'' see an option "Change advanced sharing settings",
    click on it.

    - select "Turn on sharing so anyone with network access can read and write files in the Public folders"
    Under Password protected sharing
    - select "Turn off password protected sharing"

    Then click save changes.

    You should be able to to access your shared drive now.
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    i hate to disappoint you Topgun, what you suggest is how my pc's are set up.

    Still sometimes i cannot see the pc of my wife, sometimes the laptop of my daughter.

    At first it was only the laptop with problems, so i unplugged the network cable (yes i do not use wireless connections).

    But later i found out that accessing my own pc from the one that i could not connect to, problem was solved......for the time being.

    Then i thought it was the combo Win 7, Vista, Win 8, so installed 4 times Win 8.

    As most of you know.

    Now it turned out to be.......a BUG?

    if so, then the bug existed already in Vista, then in Win 7, then in Win 8.

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    The answer I gave to the OP is about trying to connect to the PC, it asks for Login/pasword. That's just the first step to trouble shoot network problem. The next step is we need to verify all the services below are running:

    COM+ Event System (for WZC issues)
    Computer Browser
    DHCP Client
    DNS Client
    Network Connections
    Network Location Awareness
    Remote Procedure Call (RPC)
    Server
    TCP/IP Netbios helper
    Wireless Zero Configuration ( XP wireless configurations only)
    WLAN AutoConfig ( Vista wireless configurations only)
    Workstation

    @Jeffrys
    Since I don't have the problem that you have so I am not disappointed. But let's look at your intermittent problem,
    maybe I can put in my 2 cents.

    When you turn on your PC, thru the service, it performs what's called a DNS request from your local network
    to find out what Devices (Laptop, Iphone, Ipad, Media Player,Network Printers etc...) and their IP Addresses are currently attached to the Local Network and will remember thru something called "DNS Cache" for certain period of time and it will expires then perform another DNS request, perhaps thru scheduler or you can force a DNS request
    by opening the Admin command prompt and type: ipconfig /flushdns or you can reboot your PC, which will update DNS Cache in your PC. Your router also have DNS cache, in which it does DNS Request to the outside world on your behalf.

    Having said that, let's look in the case of your daughter's laptop. When she turns it on, the router will dynamically assign a local IP to her laptop for example: 192.168.1.20 and if your DNS Cache contains this information then everything is cool, the next day, she turns her laptop on again, the router will dynamiccaly assigns another IP address, let's say this time: 192.168.1.25 and now you cannot access her laptop because your DNS Cache is outdated and still have 192.168.1.20 as her IP address then you have to go to her laptop, try to accress Your PC and by doing that, it updates your DNS Cache again to remmeber her new IP.

    To avoid this kind of intermittent problem, In the router, there is an option that allows you to assign a static IP to your device, so that everytime you turn on your devices, you'll always get the same IP asssigned for each device.

    For example:
    PC #1 is assigned to 192.168.1.2
    PC #2 is assigned to 192.168.1.3
    Laptop is assigned to 192.168.1.4

    So even your DNS Cache is outdated but it still have this info.
    Hope that helps.
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