Like dirtyvu, clicking on firefox in the start page does not open another instance for me.
How did you install FF? Did you run the setup in Windows 8? Or are you using a version that was installed and ported over during an upgrade?
If the latter, try uninstalling then re-installing FF. And, I would seriously consider doing a clean upgrade, because there are likely a ton of things like this that would behave differently with a clean install. Upgrades are always problematic.
I really don't understand this "from metro" business. Why do you feel the need to always stay in Metro? Metro apps are just one kind of app in the system, and there is nothing wrong with switching between desktop and metro... why do people act like it's such a burden to do so?
And... I wasn't trying to imply that this specific search problem was the "key" issue. Rather that it represents one of the key issues, which is the disconnect between the two interfaces. And--it seems that lots, and lots, and lots of users seem to agree with me based on the overwhelming number of negative comments, often from very pro-MS sources, about this specific aspect of this hobbled together OS.
And in any case-- Alt-Tab doesn't behave the "exact same way". (You keep using that word. I'm not sure it means what you think it means.) If I Alt-Tab with, say, Outlook having focus in Win 7, I don't immediately see Outlook minimize, requiring action on my part to get it back. This is what happens if you are in the Metro side of things--just touch Alt-Tab, and poof, you've just lost your application focus. Horrible UI, especially since it's the only option to check running Desktop apps from Metro. In Win 7, you just have to look down at your task bar to see what's running in most cases--I seldom use it to "see" what's running--just to switch. But in Metro, it's the only option to see what's active in the desktop side of things other than dropping what you're doing and switching to the desktop. But then... Win 7 actually showed the time in its home screen, and didn't hide the restart menu behind 3 mouse clicks. What do I expect?
Oh, and now, just found out, putting the Start menu to open on my second monitor works just fine--until I reboot. Then it ALWAYS goes back to the primary monitor. Sheesh!
Don't believe me? Watch this video:
Windows Search - Microsoft Windows
Come on, if this is the worst you have, I'd say Windows 8 has done a damn good job, since all your arguments are so ridiculously inconsequential (with plenty of workarounds).
Are you using it as your primary desktop? Or are you running it dual boot, or in a VM? Virtually *EVERYONE* I've talked to that complained about it did so when they were using it in a VM or dual booting. Once they started using it full-time, they all said it wasn't so bad or that they liked it... This forum has a number of those.
No, you don't. In Windows 7, if you click on the start "orb", and type a search string into the search in the start menu, it behaves just like Search does in the Start Page, although obviously the Start Page gives you more options.
Uh. Right there in your video. "See more search results". Right there. Above the Search field. In English. Using letters. You can't see that link? That's exactly what I said--a link to get to more advanced options. Click it and see what happens.
In Metro, as I've said--what you get when your search doesn't find anything is this: zip. Nada. Basically it's saying "this is what we found--deal with it." No indication there's anything else. No indication there could be "more search results." Yet searching from the Start menu is touted all the time as the way to access apps and files.
So, to search, your average, non-techy user is not going to know why something on say, his non-indexed ssd drive didn't show up--"guess it wasn't really there" he'll say. Or he's going to have to understand two completely different interfaces, and when to use which.
It's not like this is obscure knowledge. Before there was a task bar, you had to use alt-tab, or bring up task manager and switch that way.
No one says Alt-Tab was obscure. Just your contention that it's the "primary" way users switch as dubious--when there's a task bar and a myriad of other ways to switch.
I've never known anyone that didn't use Alt-tab almost religiously.
Yes you have.
You don't have to do anything special. If you alt tab back to your Metro app, it is right there.
You really don't get it, do you. "Don't have to do anything special?" All I want to do see what's running. But...if I'm in the advanced UI formally known as Metro, to do that simple thing I have to hit Alt-Tab. Then, after checking, I have to alt-tab to get back to what I was doing. You've had to A.) hit keys to see what is obvious by looking at the bottom of the screen in Win 7. Then B.) hit keys again, and C.) pick Metro app.
If you don't see that as a "burden", then you must not do a lot of multi-tasking. OK, I know you'll say you do--more than anyone ever. So let me rephrase that: You must not do a lot of multi-tasking well. If you can't see how ANY extra required step takes a toll in efficiency. Little "burdens" add up to a huge hit in "serious" usability for an OS.
Yeah, it's a little thing. A lot of little things add up to a huge problem. Expecting average users to keep track of two interfaces--most of whom barely master the basics of one--is a problem in and of itself. Simultaneously hamstringing more sophisticated users with burdens, annoyances and frustrations is another. I lived through ME. I lived through Vista. The only thing saving this OS from complete failure is the improvements under the hood. But this by far the most ill-conceived franken-OS I've ever come across. No way IT depts. will come near deploying this.
How do you use a tablet or phone? They all do the exact same thing. How is that not a "burden"?
And that, ladies and gentlemen, about sums it up.
Please...read the following sentence very closely:
My. Desktop. Computer. Is. Not. A. Phone.
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Yes, it's a lot more work to build from the ground up but if you have a plan in place on what you're going to install and what you're going to leave behind as legacy software, then it's just time consuming.