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Windows 7 user - I can't leave the desktop

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I need my nested hierarchies
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Server 2012 / 8.0
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7 QuadCore 3770k
    Motherboard
    Asrock Extreme 4
    Memory
    16GB Crucial Ballistix
    Graphics Card(s)
    intel embedded gpu
    Sound Card
    Sound Blaster Z
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC / Westinghouse
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Plextor pcie msata
    PSU
    Rosewill Silent Night 500W Fanless / PicoPSU
    Case
    open bench - no case enclosure
    Cooling
    Silverstone HEO2 Passive Silent
    Keyboard
    logitech washable K310
    Mouse
    logitech wired
    Browser
    ie / maxthon
    Other Info
    Totally silent. No fans at all.
Windows 7 user - I can't leave the desktop

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I need my nested hierarchies

If it were only nested hierarchies it would not be an issue. It's the potential trend to go from Windows that can be customized, resized and placed anywhere, to metro apps that run full screen, and have extremely limited resizing and repositioning options.

When I am using WIndows 8, after pinning to my desktop and taskbar, I rarely ever see the Start Screen. And I pretty much NEVER use any metro apps. All classic desktop. Therefore, I fail to see any reason why I would want the start screen.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Self-Built in July 2009
    CPU
    Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
    Memory
    8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Acer x233H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
    Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
    PSU
    Corsair 620HX modular
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.
It's the potential trend to go from Windows that can be customized, resized and placed anywhere, to metro apps that run full screen, and have extremely limited resizing and repositioning options.

It would be hard to make an accurate estimate of how WinRT will be made more compatible with traditional usage routines. Why introduce new technology that is not an improvement?

When I am using Windows 8, after pinning to my desktop and taskbar, I rarely ever see the Start Screen. And I pretty much NEVER use any metro apps. All classic desktop. Therefore, I fail to see any reason why I would want the start screen.

There is literally no need for the SS unless one wants to use it for whatever reason. All apps is more important. If you do not want it at all, then I would hazard a guess and say that 1 click or simply pressing enter is probably too much work.

It would be illogical for MS to provide a bypass of what they believe is a wonderful thing - a great feature.
This is Windows 8. To say that it is an awful thing, is derisive and unproductive.
You don't need Windows 8.

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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Server 2012 / 8.0
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7 QuadCore 3770k
    Motherboard
    Asrock Extreme 4
    Memory
    16GB Crucial Ballistix
    Graphics Card(s)
    intel embedded gpu
    Sound Card
    Sound Blaster Z
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC / Westinghouse
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Plextor pcie msata
    PSU
    Rosewill Silent Night 500W Fanless / PicoPSU
    Case
    open bench - no case enclosure
    Cooling
    Silverstone HEO2 Passive Silent
    Keyboard
    logitech washable K310
    Mouse
    logitech wired
    Browser
    ie / maxthon
    Other Info
    Totally silent. No fans at all.
It would be illogical for MS to provide a bypass of what they believe is a wonderful thing - a great feature.
We''l see in a year whether their beliefs are any good. When we were at the same stage with Windows7, there was a lot more enthusiasm.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Vista and Win7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    2xHP, 2xGateway, 1xDell, 1xSony
    Hard Drives
    5 SSDs and 12 HDs
It would be illogical for MS to provide a bypass of what they believe is a wonderful thing - a great feature.
We'll see in a year whether their beliefs are any good. When we were at the same stage with Windows7, there was a lot more enthusiasm.

I was never a part of that enthusiasm... never cared much for Windows 7... never bought it.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Server 2012 / 8.0
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7 QuadCore 3770k
    Motherboard
    Asrock Extreme 4
    Memory
    16GB Crucial Ballistix
    Graphics Card(s)
    intel embedded gpu
    Sound Card
    Sound Blaster Z
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC / Westinghouse
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Plextor pcie msata
    PSU
    Rosewill Silent Night 500W Fanless / PicoPSU
    Case
    open bench - no case enclosure
    Cooling
    Silverstone HEO2 Passive Silent
    Keyboard
    logitech washable K310
    Mouse
    logitech wired
    Browser
    ie / maxthon
    Other Info
    Totally silent. No fans at all.
It would be illogical for MS to provide a bypass of what they believe is a wonderful thing - a great feature.
We'll see in a year whether their beliefs are any good. When we were at the same stage with Windows7, there was a lot more enthusiasm.

I was never a part of that enthusiasm... never cared much for Windows 7... never bought it.
You missed a very good system. No wonder you like W8 - viewed from XP it may be progress.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Vista and Win7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    2xHP, 2xGateway, 1xDell, 1xSony
    Hard Drives
    5 SSDs and 12 HDs
It is an awful thing.

I hope it bombs.

It might not, the general public might not notice what it is about. It isn't fair to expect them to be constantly on their guard.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
It isn't fair to expect them to be constantly on their guard.

Yes it is. ID theft is always something to be concerned about, but I have no problem getting out my secured debit card to buy apps. Buyer beware. It is about a desktop OS combined with a phone OS. I like that. I like phone apps on my 24 or 37 inch lcd. My desktop is not mobile and I have no smartphone or tablet. I like some of the apps. The desktop is awesome as well. Unless touch technology bombs, unless smartphone technology bombs, there is no chance 8 will bomb.

I understand there is evolving technology that uses cloud based services requiring monthly fees. There are also evolving security technologies that would make it safer. Many business and employee activities are mobile and cloud based services are designed to enhance usability from anywhere. I pay my ISP fees, heating, electric, property taxes, auto insurances, excise taxes all into the cloud or online... also buy stuff from online retailers...
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Server 2012 / 8.0
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home Built
    CPU
    Intel i7 QuadCore 3770k
    Motherboard
    Asrock Extreme 4
    Memory
    16GB Crucial Ballistix
    Graphics Card(s)
    intel embedded gpu
    Sound Card
    Sound Blaster Z
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC / Westinghouse
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Plextor pcie msata
    PSU
    Rosewill Silent Night 500W Fanless / PicoPSU
    Case
    open bench - no case enclosure
    Cooling
    Silverstone HEO2 Passive Silent
    Keyboard
    logitech washable K310
    Mouse
    logitech wired
    Browser
    ie / maxthon
    Other Info
    Totally silent. No fans at all.
It would be illogical for MS to provide a bypass of what they believe is a wonderful thing - a great feature.
We''l see in a year whether their beliefs are any good. When we were at the same stage with Windows7, there was a lot more enthusiasm.

Agreed, I'm very much waiting in anticipation to see what happens here.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Self-Built in July 2009
    CPU
    Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
    Memory
    8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Acer x233H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
    Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
    PSU
    Corsair 620HX modular
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.
I do agree that Windows 8 is being targeted pretty hard on younger people, if they're three years old, so be it! :D

I loved 7 when it came out, as it was a GOD send and my goal was to obliterate any system running vista and replace with 7. But 8, WHOA! This is something beyond 7.

Having said that, the release of 8 is a different time than 7. People have newer PCs, with real decent hardware. They also have an OS that isn't like the previous one where the only thing it could do was to look shiny and pretty when everything stops responding or having to wait for something to load.

But, unlike the year 2009, lots of people nowadays are buying phablets thinking they can replace their Windows 7 PC and realizing they can't due to the fundamental fact that those devices are NEUTERED SMARTPHONE OPERATING SYSTEMS! Blasphemy to say that an ipad is a PC! Seeing the new developments with tablet PCs and the capabilities and possibilities they have, Windows 8 could do well. I personally don't see it being hugely adopted for a while. It might not be due to the new UI, it could be. I might be more that people are satisfied with what they got already.

I see a similarity with Windows 8 and Windows Phone, people need to physically themselves to see what can be delivered.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014
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