So I gave my mom windows 8

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After 5 minutes she was like: I can't view my photos! Internet explorer doesn't work right. I found her flailing around senselessly in the metro interface.


I uninstalled all of the metro apps(and made a youtube guide below, and there hasn't been a single issue since.

[video=youtube;bJnutLKIzzU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJnutLKIzzU[/video]
 
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Why would you do that? Did she need to upgrade, are you going to get her a valid license for a new OS going forward?
 

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Partly to see what would happen, and partly because the original win7 install got a bit screwed up.

For a $40 upgrade, I will probably get her 8 pro. She uses the computer for work, so domain joining is going to be a useful thing that 7 home lacked.
 

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If she uses her computer for work, work should most likely be providing the OS they want joined to their domain. If she isn't VPN'd or connected to the network, she likely doesn't want her home personal machine joined to the domain.
 

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Interesting as you can use touch on the Desktop..... :rolleyes: (for all the touch naysayers)

If I gave a 10 year old kid a car and the keys and told that kid to drive it, what do you suppose will happen?

I've never gave someone a copy of Windows 8 and just left them there, I always give them the guided tour. As you can see on the right, you will find new emails as the come to you. To your left, you can view your Desktop items and even crack open a good ol' Library.
 

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Interesting as you can use touch on the Desktop..... :rolleyes: (for all the touch naysayers)

If I gave a 10 year old kid a car and the keys and told that kid to drive it, what do you suppose will happen?

I've never gave someone a copy of Windows 8 and just left them there, I always give them the guided tour. As you can see on the right, you will find new emails as the come to you. To your left, you can view your Desktop items and even crack open a good ol' Library.

Yes but now CR, that is /exactly/ what is going to happen when windows 8 launches and people start installing it and buying new computers with it. Imagine that one experience multiplied but millions as the average public gets their hands on it... Microsoft isn't going to send a windows 8 UI engineer out to every single persons house to teach them how to use it. Virtually everyone is going to be "tossed into the pool" and they are going to have to learn how to swim on their own. It'll be all kinds of ugly for quite a while...

P.s. On that subject, anyone see the new line of Apple ads? It seems like there isn't a single thing on the iPad that any normal person can figure out for themselves and a 15 year old Apple "Genius" need to sit down and explain to them how to use it. Hilariously ironic for an OS that is supposed to be "intuitive" :D
 

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I did the same thing, but with my kids. They were a little slow at first, but figured it out fast. I maybe wrong but I don't think it's going to be that big of an issue when it rolls out.
 

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Well as I said before, probably not with people that do only a couple of things on the machine, Web apps, twitter, gmail, facebook etc.

If all you do is punch tiles on the metro screen it's not too bad.

But if you /do/ things on the computer it's a different story. There really are different breeds of computer users and for some Metro is fine, for others, it's a giant road block for daily use, a future software fragmentation engine and an exceptionally ominous view of the future of windows.
 

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an exceptionally ominous view of the future of windows

Exactly, the direction we are being pushed in is the concern.
 

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After 5 minutes she was like: I can't view my photos! Internet explorer doesn't work right. I found her flailing around senselessly in the metro interface.


I uninstalled all of the metro apps(and made a youtube guide below, and there hasn't been a single issue since.
If you uninstalled all of the Metro apps, then how is this better than Windows 7?
 

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It's faster, for one, especially when booting. Since the laptop gets used a few times each day, there are a lot of reboots. Internet explorer sucks a bit less(She has thousands of IE bookmarks, Switching to chrome/firefox is not an option). Ribbons are good. The start menu is better if you don't use jump lists.
 

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Interesting as you can use touch on the Desktop..... :rolleyes: (for all the touch naysayers) If I gave a 10 year old kid a car and the keys and told that kid to drive it, what do you suppose will happen? I've never gave someone a copy of Windows 8 and just left them there, I always give them the guided tour. As you can see on the right, you will find new emails as the come to you. To your left, you can view your Desktop items and even crack open a good ol' Library.
Yes but now CR, that is /exactly/ what is going to happen when windows 8 launches and people start installing it and buying new computers with it. Imagine that one experience multiplied but millions as the average public gets their hands on it... Microsoft isn't going to send a windows 8 UI engineer out to every single persons house to teach them how to use it. Virtually everyone is going to be "tossed into the pool" and they are going to have to learn how to swim on their own. It'll be all kinds of ugly for quite a while...
I considered trying to make metro work, but when I was commanded to "make it work so that I can view my photos. NOW!", my guided tour was a bit different... so let me get rid of those colored rectangles for you... Now. Click the corner to open the start menu. Press this button to close the start menu. Type when the start menu is open to search. Press this to type in chinese. Everything else is just like normal.
 

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So, I just watched the video.

@6s, you hit uninstall and nothing happens and have to hit again
@9s, you flicked up on the photo app and nothing happened and you had to do it again

@14, in the middle of the above task, it thought you hit the video player, so you had to close video and redo the delete on the photo app sequence.

Yeah, clicking on each and every tile, flicking up and then removing them is sure convenient. Must better than right click on desktop, Personalize, change desktop icons and unticking things you don't want.

@57s, the swipe to pull out charms menu did nothing

@1:12 it was a struggle to get the dropdown box to show options.

Yeah, overall, the touch seems awesome.
 

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So, I just watched the video. @6s, you hit uninstall and nothing happens and have to hit again @9s, you flicked up on the photo app and nothing happened and you had to do it again @14, in the middle of the above task, it thought you hit the video player, so you had to close video and redo the delete on the photo app sequence. Yeah, clicking on each and every tile, flicking up and then removing them is sure convenient. Must better than right click on desktop, Personalize, change desktop icons and unticking things you don't want. @57s, the swipe to pull out charms menu did nothing @1:12 it was a struggle to get the dropdown box to show options. Yeah, overall, the touch seems awesome.
It was a stuggle. It paid off though. Metroless windows 8 is smooth and functional.
 

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I don't really see how that qualifies as getting rid of Metro, you simply have a couple of tiles, but still have the awkward flop back and forth between the now much emptier metro start screen and the classic deskop.
 

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I don't really classify opening the start menu as awkward. It lacks the annoying flipping animation that metro apps make, and does not activate the upper-left corner thingy. Yes, it's designed to look metro, but it's really just a fullscreen start menu. It does not make the desktop feel like an app at all. In fact, the desktop feels like it's underneath the start menu whenever it's open.
 

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^It's not metroless though...that's what you called it. it's Metro, just without many tiles.
 

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^It's not metroless though...that's what you called it. it's Metro, just without many tiles.
The important part of metro is gone. If you want to be extreme, you can say that the desktop is metro because they're taking away transparency and adding square corners.
 

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I don't consider the important part of metro to be the sheer number of tiles. It's the switching back to the full screen start menu when you hit the Windows key. And it's the menu and such that you access via the Charms bar.
 

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Windows 8 is like a bare metal hypervisor. It hosts 2 virtual machines by default. 1 is the Windows phone OS and 1 is the classic Windows desktop. You just have to switch between them, as neither VM will do 100% of the tasks.





Thanks PPARKS1, you described Windows 8 PERFECTLY!
 

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