iPhone is bigger than all of Microsoft

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So, this story provides a bit of insight into why MS is likely scrambling as much as they are lately and making these significant changes to their OS's and devices.

With the unveiling of the iPhone 5 expected to come Sept. 12, we were wondering: Just how big is the iPhone?On its own, Apple's iPhone business would be a Fortune 50 company.
It's also bigger than all of Microsoft (MSFT, Fortune 500). Not just Windows or Office -- the iPhone generated more sales than the entirety of Microsoft's product lineup over the past four quarters.

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Yes, I know.

I heard a while back iphone sales first quarter of 2012 were near $23bn allegedly.

Astonishing.
 

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Well, from my own perspective I can see why. I've been on the hunt for what I consider THE pocket device to have for about 30 years. I've been through Wizard Oz, Palm Pilot, Windows CE, Pocket PC. But when I laid my hands on the iPhone4 I said "this is the one". I have a 4S now. To me about as good as it gets. The darn thing does everything a pocket device should.

I've never been an Apple "fanboy" (I'm a Windows developer) but I got to hand it to them: they got this one right. (I didn't say perfect ... I said right - though it ain't very far from perfect AFAIC). Kudos to Apple on this one.

-Max
 

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To me, looking at it non-partisan, yes apple got it right. But looking at it still non-partisan, it's not really exciting so much anymore. Ooohh, a 4 inch screen, slightly better display and camera with a small dock connector! Really? That's where we're at in society? The platform isn't changing at all, it's only adding a few new features every update. It releases every year, so product obsolesce occurs more than usual, or at least the next release isn't so dramatically different like the iphone 5. Seriously, from a design perspective, it looks like they just stretched out the iphone 4.

Personally, I just don't get it. I don't get why people sell their kidneys or wear idiotic iphone hats and stand outside a store for days on end just to sit indoors (as the screen isn't too readable outside) and waste your life away downloading apps and dinking around, making the phone look like a human weight.


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This comes to mind, and it is true.

Speaking of such, I see a bleak future for apple. The same thing basically happened for them in the 80s with the mac, it was the most popular platform used, a desirable "it" thing to have. As Windows emerged out, people saw that they have a choice, a platform to develop on, and can be used on a huge swath of hardware, all at a lower cost. When faced with cost, cost generally wins over versus the "it" factor, mind you the fanbois don't see that, just take a look at platform usage and you see android being used the most. As Windows grew and expanded into the enterprise, and then expanded into the home, apple was on the brink of failure as they weren't innovating anymore as they did before. That's what I see happening soon for them. They aren't innovating with the new iphone. I was genuinely expecting something to give every high end android phone and my Windows Phone a run for their money, I don't see it. What they're doing is just simply catering to their user base and keeping them with iphone, there's just no...pizzazz anymore. It's just the same as it was six years ago. How do you call that innovation?

Now android for example, though ripped off by the iphone for a certain company, is out-doing the iphone primarily on cost, which also could be why the platform doesn't have a huge user satisfaction rate.

Yes, the iphone is a huge deal, but huge deals don't last forever. Just look at Microsoft, 17 years ago, NO ONE though they would be anywhere the way they are today. But I think tides are turning now. If apple keeps focusing with a laser edge on just a few products, everyone and everything will out do them. I see Microsoft rising, with apple waning, and this is at a non-partisan view of things. On one hand, you have a company refreshing everything they have to offer and there are even stories of mac and iphone users loving Windows 8 and Windows Phone. And then you see a company that claims innovation, though they're keeping everything the same. Pretty soon, people get bored and move on....
 

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Yes, I have said before - Apple can't keep producing genuinely new ground breaking prodcuts every couple of years.

No one can.

They are extending the life of their existing products - e.g by producing updated versions - and - interestingly, by extending the target price.

They did well with the $399 for last years model thing.

It would make perfect sense for them to release a 7in version at $299.

There is a giant opportunity here to take away the pc market as well.

If Apple did a $600 macbook - it would be massive. Big trouble for MS.

The difficulty for Apple with that is tho it may a bit better than anything else at $600 - it won't be anywhere near their other macbook things. There is a danger of damaging thir premium image.

Apple may just decide MS is killing the golden goose all on their own - and that Apple can beat them in tablets anyway.
 

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The problem for Apple is they are a hardware company, not a software one. Cutting to the bone on pricing means they start losing money (or at least shrinking growth margins). I don't see them doing this any time soon - they're only going to do things which they see a market void that is ripe for selling slightly more expensive products that are designed well enough to be seen as premium experience devices. It's a good strategy, obviously, but I don't think it's sustainable for an extended period of time. I'm guessing they'll do something good in the coming years to really wow us again, but if they don't, it will be good for their competition.
 

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To me, looking at it non-partisan, yes apple got it right. But looking at it still non-partisan, it's not really exciting so much anymore. Ooohh, a 4 inch screen, slightly better display and camera with a small dock connector! Really? That's where we're at in society? The platform isn't changing at all, it's only adding a few new features every update. It releases every year, so product obsolesce occurs more than usual, or at least the next release isn't so dramatically different like the iphone 5. Seriously, from a design perspective, it looks like they just stretched out the iphone 4.
It hasn't been exciting for quite a few years now for non Apple fans, but the Apple fans seem genuinely impressed and are willing to buy new models. I think it will continue with the iPhone 5.

What they're doing is just simply catering to their user base and keeping them with iphone, there's just no...pizzazz anymore. It's just the same as it was six years ago. How do you call that innovation?
A lot of it boils down to application support. Apple with their "one size fits most" mentality, have a solid app market. These apps just run on these devices, unlike the droid marketplace where an application might run on phone 1, 2 and 3, but not necessarily on 4,5 6.

Also, some consumers really prefer their devices to stay consistent...if it's not broken, don't fix it. Right now, I wouldn't call the iPhone system broken, people buy them like crazy, they love them, they work for them...why would you attempt to make it radically different? If you are Microsoft, you see a need to make a change because the computing market is changing and hence Windows 8 has some radically new design changes. But you also see the outcry from those who prefer that their systems are not changed this dramatically and they want the ability to keep it closer to the way that it was. Unfortunately, MS sees it as "their system is broken", and they are running around like chickens with their heads cut-off to find a way to stop the bleeding.

Just look at Microsoft, 17 years ago, NO ONE though they would be anywhere the way they are today. But I think tides are turning now.
You didn't go back nearly far enough. 17 years ago, it was 1995, and Windows 95 was out and was without question the dominant desktop on the market. Apple marketshare at that point was practically non-existent.

If apple keeps focusing with a laser edge on just a few products, everyone and everything will out do them. I see Microsoft rising, with apple waning, and this is at a non-partisan view of things. On one hand, you have a company refreshing everything they have to offer and there are even stories of mac and iphone users loving Windows 8 and Windows Phone. And then you see a company that claims innovation, though they're keeping everything the same. Pretty soon, people get bored and move on....
Well, you see this radically different than I do. You see MS being proactive and making a change to crush their competition. I see it as Microsoft realizing their dominance is in jeopardy and no longer are they confident that they can continue milking the cash cow and instead have to radically make changes in order to not be the last person to the party once again and losing their advantage.
 

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Heh ... you know what's funny? We're all sitting around talking about the lack of innovation in the iPhone5 and, unless I'm missing something, the thing hasn't even been announced yet. I think that happens tomorrow guys. I kind of hope Apple blows all of the speculation out of the water just for the fun of it.

Some people consider the Apple phones as non-innovative. Let's try another word. How about "mature"?

Everybody seems to want the platform to change and show off new "gee whiz" stuff every time it is released. Maybe Apple has decided to remain incremental with their updates right now and continue to solidify the platform and their stake in the market. One article I just read on ZDNet pointed out that Apple's iPhone unit does more business than all of Microsoft! That's HUGE. At this point Apple might be trying to keep the platform stable rather than monkey around with it and take a huge risk. (They're going to let Microsoft take a turn at that this time!) Apple fans tend to be pretty loyal. They're going to sell a bunch of iPhone5's to the installed base. One estimate I read suggested that 70% of the iPhone4/4S user base will upgrade. That's a LOT of phones!

I'm one of the folks in the user base that has reached a point where I'm, frankly, tired of trading in my unit for the next "gee whiz" item. I sort-of reached my "nirvana" point when I saw the iPhone4 (previous post). I do still like a new gadget as much as anybody and may upgrade to the iPhone5 when my equipment upgrade cycle comes around. However I'm not looking for major improvements, just continued solid performance.

On the other hand, Microsoft might have a lot to gain or lose with the move they're trying with the Win8/WinPhone 8 platform. They have to get "radical" and "innovative" in order to make inroads into a market that is starting to mature. I'm sure Microsoft recognizes that their days in that market are numbered if they don't do something quick.

Personally, I don't think Microsoft's success in the mobile handheld market is assured by any stretch of the imagination. The iPhone is a pretty tough act to follow.

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Way back in 2007, the Blackberry was king.... The same thing could heppen to Apple (or any other company)...
 

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^ while it might happen to Apple, it's not going to happen anytime soon. The world is abuzz about the new phone, people are in line, it's sold more than any previous version. It's still a dominant force.
 

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Yep... but people said the exact same things about Blackberry, way back in 2007 (almost before electricity). These tech-based companies can rise and fall so quickly!
 

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It's still going to be good at doing what it does - run apps and games, get emails and send messages, and make the occasional phone call. It's no longer groundbreaking, revolutionary, or even exciting, but it's a known commodity and people will want it. For those of us that don't, there's the Windows Phone platform, Android, and even RIM's trying to keep the BB relevant. I personally think BB as a platform is going to disappear from relevance soon, but there will be hardcore crackberry addicts who will potentially consider acquiring one of the upcoming BB devices. Most of the BB users I run into in personal life and in business have already migrated to iPhones or Android devices, though, and the Good platform has started to replace BES for messaging and mail security in a lot of places, especially larger customer environments.
 

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Yep... but people said the exact same things about Blackberry, way back in 2007 (almost before electricity). These tech-based companies can rise and fall so quickly!

Well, blackberry slowly fell out of favor due to lack of new product development or interest in their product. it took a number of years for them to fall to the point of near non-existence.

One swoop through an Apple store will show you they are nowhere near non-existence at this point.
 

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Yep... but people said the exact same things about Blackberry, way back in 2007 (almost before electricity). These tech-based companies can rise and fall so quickly!

Well, blackberry slowly fell out of favor due to lack of new product development or interest in their product. it took a number of years for them to fall to the point of near non-existence.

One swoop through an Apple store will show you they are nowhere near non-existence at this point.

Blackberry fell slowly due to a lack of fresh and new product development primarily. There are people interested in them, at least their whole group of roughly 30 users. If apple doesn't innovate, they will slowly sink into a hole. Look at their macs, they were once SO popular and used as the first PC for years until Windows came in and showed to people something better and something more cost effective. Nowadays, seeing mac usage is far and in between. Shoot, apple hasn't even innovated or did anything radical to their mac book lineup since they got rid of AMD processors for Intel and recently switched to i-series processors. They don't do anything radical or new. They make a HUGE epic deal about the retina display (which my body is currently suing apple for the use of) on their mac books, it's just a high definition display! Seriously right now?! Remove the hype, and show a buying what else better is there, and the fan base will slowly, but surely diminish. People are viewing the new iphone as cool, but boring. Interesting, but not innovative.
The only people left are the deranged waiting in line days on end for a larger screen phone that has apps...and gestures!
:what:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf5-Prx19ZM&feature=player_embedded
 

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Look at their macs, they were once SO popular and used as the first PC for years until Windows came in and showed to people something better and something more cost effective.
I'm unsure they were ever terribly popular. I saw them only in schools and such when they were really the only choice of a personal computer. I don't know anybody who actually owned a Mac at home....but I do remember a ton of people who had Commodore's (Vic-20's and C-64's).

Nowadays, seeing mac usage is far and in between.
15 years ago, I rarely saw a mac. 5 years ago, I started seeing them around more. Nowadays, i can almost guarantee seeing one at a coffee shop or cafe that offers free wi-fi. My friends who are in the market for new computers at home, are looking at Mac's and lots of friends are recommending them to their friends saying that once you switch you will never go back. I also see Mac's in the movies and on tv shows. Far more now than I used to see. I honestly think Mac's are more prevalent now then ever before in their history.

They make a HUGE epic deal about the retina display (which my body is currently suing apple for the use of) on their mac books, it's just a high definition display! Seriously right now?!
If MS did it on their surface tablets, I'd be willing to bet you would be telling us how awesome it is. While I don't have an Apple device with a retina display, it's got the highest ppi display out there and it looks pretty darn nice.

I cannot wait for the Lumia 920 and the Windows 8 phone as we will finally see which phone draws the most people. I would be more inclined to use the 920 and Windows 8...but I'd be willing to bet more people will be using an iPhone.
 

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More people will probably be using the iPhone5 for two reasons - one, people with older 3GS or 4's (maybe even some with 4S devices) will find it's a reasonably good upgrade and keeps them using what they may have already invested in. Two, there's the brand loyalty (that sometimes borders on cult following, but that's another discussion) that certain folks will have with something they use, and it will translate over to the iPhone5 quite well. I also think that most smartphone users today are happy with the platform they've chosen (iDevices, Android devices, or Windows Phone devices) and the market is really emerging and 3rd world markets and people migrating from feature phones.

As an old iPhone user who now uses a Windows Phone 7 device (Samsung Focus first, now a Nokia Lumia 900), I enjoy the WP device and hardware much better. I don't tend to tinker or want to root my phone, and 2 years ago Android's user experience left a bit to be desired. I might revisit Android devices and even the iPhone again in the future at some point, but for right now the L920 hardware is pretty high end, and I want to see where the Windows 8 ecosystem goes. I already have an Xbox, have mail on an Exchange server and documents stored in a SharePoint workspace, and upgraded my laptop, desktop, and tablet to Windows 8 over the last few weeks. If it all stinks, it will be easy to move on - but if it goes well, I want to be on that bandwagon.

Time will tell, but probably not more than a year or two. I will enjoy using another Nokia device for 2 years anyway - the build quality on the 900 is amazing, and even WP7.5 on lower-end (comparatively) hardware today does everything I need, quickly, and provides good battery life. I don't need much more than that, so I'll give a WP device another go given the first two were/have been very good to me.
 

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    4x WD RE 2TB (RAIDZ)
    PSU
    Corsair AX760i
    Case
    Fractal Design Define R4
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15
I'm seriously considering buying an unlocked Lumia 920 as Nokia basically paid for my 900 when I first bought it.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014
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