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I am somewhat confused, won't be the first time, at the number of pips and badges that are already mounting up
way before the Windows 8 Beta is to be released.

Was that the way it was when Windows 7 Beta was being released?
It seems to me we are jumping the gun in awarding for a OS that is still in a Pre-Beta stage.

If that was the case for Windows 7 then I apologize and applaud those that have
been awarded their efforts.
THW
 

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Just interest, pardon my ignorance, but is there a forum function where you can see all those pips and badges, or are you referring to the sigs and avatars? The reason for enquiring is that I have (personal) always been opposed to awards in forums. As a bit of a "humbug" individual, I cannot even see the value of avatars, or sigs!, but they do liven up the outward appearance of the site.
Although there is a detailed instruction, in the "FAQ', as to how to see the members list, it is, for personal reasons, prohibited when you attempt to look at it. I had thought that was, perhaps, where you had observed the awards.
But. I do agree with your comment. The amount that can be said, regarding Windows 8, is, at this stage, somewhat limited. The daily posts, however, whilst prolific, are, in the majority, not referring to Windows 8, but are of a more general nature. Only criticism I would have, though, of your (and mine) comment, is that the awards are for forum input, in the general sense, and not neccessarily for Windows 8.
 

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Thanks, AEM. Missed that one!
After seeing that, I am even more inclined to agree with the OP. The "badges" appear to be based on 5/+3 numbers of posts. Does seem a little overkill, but hopefully, the Admins and moderators pay attention to the quality of the posts also??
 

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People are using, helping and developing in Windows 8 and other's are repping them for that the same they would at any of our other forums, the sytem we have here is a lot harder to achieve a badge than the other sites though due to a very low rep power cap and higher rep requirements for the badges.
 

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:ditto:

Just because it's a pre-beta version, it doesn't mean there's no errors or bugs. If anything, there are more bugs which generates questions, which in turn generates answers which finally generates rep. The reputation people have earned even before the pre-release of Win 8 is from helping people with some of the early builds. It's pretty much the same sort of thing that happens over on SF. People need answers to questions, so others provide them.

I do also like the new rep system. You'll notice that (with the exception of ie9) no one has anything higher than a Power User badge. It will take a lot longer to build up reputation than it normally would over on SF. Finally, the single post orientated badge we have here (Gold Member) is just something to show your commitment to the forum. Really, it isn't anything more than a badge and doesn't give you any more special privileges (as far as I know).
 

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There's another mentioning of our other forums (i've read it before in another thread probably by the same person - John), besides SF and this, are there others?

Look i know this rep system has been talked about in all corners, but my opinion is that it does NOT truely reflect the individual's knowledge in IT. You may argue otherwise but it's the truth. The system could work but i feel the way it works currently (and same in SF) it's a bit like it's not what you know it's who you know.

So there are Admins, and Mods around that does great work in keeping these places clean and tidy and we need to trust them to do the right think. In saying that, i would put it to these people to do the repping and not just the locals.

There should be a guideline put in place for the Admins/Mods to rep people and precisely how many points per rep. This guideline will be fair for everyone who has helped contribute to the forum in helping others solve issues, and rightfully deserves the recognition. But how do they know when to rep? When a local Report the thread to be deserving of repping. There should be a max rep reporting per thread say 5, and after that no more rep to be given for that thread.

What do you think?
 

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Apart from SF and EF, John has created one other forum, VF or Vista Forums. That was the first forum made Designer Media Ltd. (John's company) and I believe it was created in 2005.

As for the repping system, I honestly think it's fine the way it is. You come to a forum looking to help people. Rep shouldn't matter in the slightest if your sole purpose of helping people is to solve their problems rather then get a fancy, virtual badge. It's a reward or an extra more then anything. Getting rep and by extension, getting badges is simply a way to recognise those who are helpful.

As for it's who you know rather than what you know, I can't say I agree with that either. I rep whenever I see a helpful post. The advice does not necessarily have to be correct, it doesn't even have to work. As long as the poster means well and wants to help the OP, they deserve the rep. Sometimes you get repped, sometimes you don't, that's just how it works. Not everything you do in this world goes unrecognised but I have to say, a lot of it does. As long as you feel good that you've helped someone, that's what matters. There are forums that don't even have a rep or badge system and yet users give advice and continue to assist others.

To be honest, I can't say I have much experience with computers being only 13 years of age. And yet I still try to help where I can. You don't need to know much to learn. The majority of things I've learnt about computers are from asking questions and reading articles, posts, tutorials etc. Even if I make an amazing post and it goes completely unnoticed, that's fine. I might make a decent post and have someone rep me that time.

But I do agree with your statement:

but my opinion is that it does NOT truely reflect the individual's knowledge in IT.

Well, it doesn't really. I have three gold pips over on SF which is more than a lot of people who are a lot more technologically inclined than me. Once again, it's just a reward for what you've done on that specific forum as opposed to what you know. I could know when time began but I can't expect to be recognised for it on SF unless I post it, can I?

Well, that's my two cents. Sorry for the rant. :p
 
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Are you only 13? Ok your oppinion don't count....heheh j/k.

Btw, it's not the reward that i too was ranting bout, it's the method of getting the rewards two different things la.
 

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Well said JaidynM

At some point rep does become irrelevant.


I have been involved with sites that dont use rep, ones that use "likes", and those that do nothing. I can say I favor this system because of Johns' continuous refining of the rep system.

Like with anything leadership makes the difference.

/RANT
 

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Yo, JaiydnM, for being only 13, you have a wonderful command of vocabulary, English and sentence structure.
Keep up the good work! :D

BTW, well said. Thanks!
 

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Yo, JaiydnM, for being only 13, you have a wonderful command of vocabulary, English and sentence structure.
Keep up the good work! :D

BTW, well said. Thanks!
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As I understand it this type of Forum is designed to attract both users seeking help to problems & volunteers who are there to provide the help sought.
An Alpha Os is still an OS! Help sought & given still applies.
The carrot provided to the volunteers is the rep system. "One cap" will never fit /suit all.

IMHO the Admin do a superb job in maintaining a balance.Their rep system works!
The proof is in the success of the 3 Forums concerned & congrats go to the minimal Staff that run them.
 

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Look at it this way, if you have a genuine reason to come on to the forum to help others (or to get help) you should not be dazzled by the pips and badges, regardless of what forum you go onto whether it's a pre beta, beta or RTM. If you are a few who i believe exists that comes on purely to be known by posting as much as they could to get pips and badges, then can i say they don't deserve it and us senior members should not rep them.
 

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Altruism is helping behavior that is motivated by a selfless concern for the welfare of another person.
However not all helping behavior is altruism.
Only selfless helping {without reward} is considered altruism.

None of us here have requested our {green} pips be removed.
;)
 

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Thank you all for your input.
When I joined Windows 7 Forums, a bit late, didn't know what went into designing a forum and the rep system.
I went there seeking help and within minutes someone signed on with a solution.
Other forums you waited for days if you got an answer so I decided to hang my hat there and have enjoyed the ride.
Helped a few and learned a lot!

So when I joined here, by the same designer/owner I needed to ask that question so I could follow from the conception and now will wait for the Beta to arrive.

Again, thanks for all your input and I take my hat off to each and everyone of you for your input and knowledge.
Dennis
 

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LOL, thanks to both Ken and Mike. :eek:

Rep is pretty much e-peen and that's just about all it is. Though it could be regarded as incentive to post more helpful posts, that's really for the poster to decide.
 
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Look at it this way, if you have a genuine reason to come on to the forum to help others (or to get help) you should not be dazzled by the pips and badges, regardless of what forum you go onto whether it's a pre beta, beta or RTM. If you are a few who i believe exists that comes on purely to be known by posting as much as they could to get pips and badges, then can i say they don't deserve it and us senior members should not rep them.
I cannot say any of us are "dazzled" by the pips and badges, aem.

To get one or two feels a bit good once in a while, I'll admit. Just as giving one or two does.

Many of us devote an inordinate amount of time to learn the intricacies of an OS ... even a pre-beta OS.

Do you think anyone pats us on the back for that? Not in the real world. We get a thanks, maybe (sometimes), and a check for a bit of money.

That's why we come here ... to help, no remuneration other than a thanks.

If one of us has helped another and that member wants to pat one of us on the back, who am I to complain?

Shawn, John, Aaron et al, are doing a wonderful job bringing the Win8 (pre-beta, currently) community together.

I look forward to the beta and beyond.

I joined the Seven Forums after I installed the release version of Win7. I have a lot of pips over there because I spent untold hours learning it as well as learning Office 2010.

I am thankful that others took the time to thank me (thereby upping my "rep").

For anyone who has thanked me: Thank you!

Truly, aem, it's just a part of what makes it all worth it.

Oh, and @JaidynM, you're welcome! :)
 
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I'm not really presenting my case very well, above.
I suppose, what I mean to say, is that some of us do this day in and day out for a paycheck and get something to put in the bank for doing so.

It's a bit anti-septic, all too often. Do your job, fix the computer, get paid and move on.

This place is refreshingly different, I have learned.
 

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I'm one that doesn't take much notice of the pips and badges, my main reason to be a part of the forums is to learn. I started out in Vistax64 after reading a post by Shawn (Brink) in one of the newsgroups I followed. That forum helped me when I got a new machine that had Vista installed, when John started sevenforums I joined just to learn thinking I wouldn't even be running Windows 7 for years as it wasn't that long ago I'd bought a new system and didn't think I'd be able to afford a new OS when it came out.

I tried the beta in a dual boot set up but didn't keep it for long, but when Microsoft offered the pre-order opportunity I jumped on the chance of getting it as I knew my new machine was capable of running it. I didn't keep the machine dual booting for that long as I found I was using Windows 7 more than Vista so now just have the machine running Windows 7.

When John started eightforum I thought OK I'll join just to see how it works out and just what the OS will be like, I doubt if Microsoft will do the same offer they did before so this time it will be some years before I can use Windows 8, but in the meantime I can learn and at the same time be a part of the great family that is the Vista/sevenforum/eightforum forums.;)
 

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