Let's say Microsoft has made a mistake with this new OS. Let's say big companies should listen more those small voices bringing the butter on the bread. Let's say everybody understands and accepts that other people might have different opinions, not only in Windows but everything.
Let's say it were a perfect world... Clint is the president, there's no wars, nobody has ever heard of a BSOD.
If so, this thread would not exist. There had never been arguments like the one that made me post, I had no reason to write the original post. A Seven Forums and Eight Forums geek as I am, and especially the Windows 7 and 8 fan I am, it makes me sometimes very sad and almost always very angry to see that so big part of this, discussion about a new OS, is turning ugly, counterproductive and useless.
Questions to those against 8:
- Please tell me what is the authority you have when you write as if your opinion were the only acceptable fact?
- If you are not using and will not use 8, what gives you the right criticize those who will?
- Where can I find more information about "the fact" that Microsoft is forcing you to use Windows 8?
Questions to 8 fans:
- Please tell me what is the authority you have when you call anti-8 people idiots who just can't understand?
- If you find 8 is the answer to your prayers, do you really think you have the right to force your opinion on others?
I have nothing against a good argument. An argument based on facts, not on biased opinions used as facts. I really like Windows 8 but I understand that you might not like it. I will never start insulting you or think you are stupid if your opinion differs from that of mine.
I hope we could start using civilized language presenting our opinions, in civilized manners respecting each and everyones right to have an opinion. I would like to see more "IMO"s and less "F***ing 8"s, more "I think users will..." and less "The fact is nobody..."
Let's try to change a useless and counterproductive fight to an important and productive discussion, exchange of opinions.
Last edited by Kari; 28 Feb 2013 at 06:02. Reason: Fixed several typos
For me Windows 8 is a mixture- there are bits I think are a step forward and bits I think are a step backwards.
To pursue your car analogy for a little - I see the XP7 as a very versatile SUV-type vehicle. It has four wheel drive, can go anywhere, has lots of seats for a family but you can also fold the seats flat to move big loads. It isn't the fastest or the prettiest but has widespread appeal and there's a garage/ shop in every town that can repair it or sell you accessories.
The Model 8 has the front end of a 2-seater sports car, sleek, and definitely faster, but this is attached to the back of an SUV ...and you can see the join. The SUV bit at the back looks like it's been put back as an afterthought, and the instruments and seats look like they came from an older model. Under the bonnet you can see they've made the engine better and more efficient, (although there are still one or two loose wires under there).
The Model 8 is a compromise, still nearly as good for most things as the XP7, and better in some ways. I think my main concern is not what the Model 8 does, but where it's all heading.
Maybe Model 9 will *just* be that 2 seater sports car, with no back seats and very little luggage space.
For some people this is great - it's faster, more efficient, more stylish. But for the folks with kids who need that luggage space it's no use to them. And many of them have spent a lot of money on the ChryslerBenzToyota car seats and stereo accessories which won't fit any other car, so knowing there's a choice of car manufacturers still isn't great comfort.
So you'd get a mix of people who have some improvements, but also a lot of people who just won't be able to use it at all any more. It's this latter group who will be more annoyed and vocal. Reconciling these groups is likely to be tricky - and I think that's reflected in the debate on here.
That's my 2-pennyworth anyway!
David, I hope you understand my post was not personal, not for or about any single person. I used "You" in a very general way and meaning.
Just want to be sure you did not misunderstand me .
Stick around, win 8 is proving a barell of laughs.
Windows 8 for monkeys - I love it. That guy was probably their product tester. If he can make it, the market is unlimited - so they think.
I still remember how you had to drag people kicking and screaming away from their XP boxes and force them to use Windows 7. And I've heard the same story from 9x to XP.
I believe it's simply a matter of people simply refusing and/or unable to learn a new OS. Granted it's a bigger step than from XP->7, but people are learning touchscreen OSs such as iOS and Android perfectly fine. I'm perfectly happy with 8 myself.
Dragon's Den (or Shark Tank or whatever name the program format is using in you area), that's how people tend to think: "I made it, ergo it is good and you'll love it. Please give me the money."
Sadly this can be seen in bigger circles, too.
It's same phenomena that what WHS said and I quoted above: "Windows 7 was good because I liked it. Windows 8 is bad because I do not like it. I am the authority"
Last edited by Kari; 03 Mar 2013 at 07:36.
That comes from the erroneous belief that everything new must automatically be better for every user in every way.I believe it's simply a matter of people simply refusing and/or unable to learn a new OS.
Clearly that is not the case.
A new product might be better at some things, worse at others. It might have features which serve the seller, not the prospective buyer, or any number of combinations.
My new fridge freezer is a tiny little bit lower in energy consumption than my previous one ( mainly because it has a smaller capacity ). In all other respects it is far worse than my previous one.