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  1. #11

    Posts : 116
    xp , 7Pro, 8RP, Android phone, Tablet

    SIW2, sorry if I did not make it totally clear.
    no menus are involved each drive has it own individual MBR and I choose the drive hiotting F12 in the bios.
    Ignoring the win8 problem i can happily boot from any drive i.e 1 installed or 3 installed other than win8.
    It only occurs after I have booted into win8 shut down then swop any of the other drives then attempt to boot into win8 again.
    If I don't swap any all is OK.
    How do I get the system to boot from bootim.exe ?

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  2. #12

    Posts : 5,139
    Win8.1Pro - Finally!!!

    The bootim.exe is a great tip! Thanks!

    But, it hid my cursor. Any idea of how to get it back (short of a reboot?)
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  3. #13

    Posts : 116
    xp , 7Pro, 8RP, Android phone, Tablet

    Hi All thanks for the suggestions but I have narrowed it down.
    It fails when you have two discs installed with Win8 found by accident when trying to create a restore disc for RP
    which was failing even following the tutorial (another post) by doing a clean to yet another drive.

    For simplicity I used two drives only, both with a win8 RP installed individually (no dual boot) but boot chosen on bios load.
    Call them Drive-A and Drive-B.
    When only one be it A or B is attached they boot correctly.
    When both are attached it does not matter whether A or B is chosen as boot the system lets say Drive_A starts to load then after the spinner is on for 30 secs or so comes up with an error and reboots and comes back with the same error sequence.
    Remove one of the drives it goes into auto repair once then boots OK.
    Install the second drive again and boot from drive-B you get the same sequence over again.
    Conclusion Win8 RP does not allow coexistence of two systems even with 2 individual MBRs on load it identifies the second installation and that triggers the reload / repair sequences.
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  4. #14

    Posts : 5,139
    Win8.1Pro - Finally!!!

    I had a Win7 system w/3 hard drives
    Installed Win8 w/new HDD - no real problems.
    Removed hard drive and did another Win8 install on another new hard drive.

    Win8 still remembers the first Win8 installation - even though the disk is no longer connected to the system!

    I have to wonder if it looks for that funny 100 mB system partition that MS started using with Win7?

    Gonna have to start looking into changes in the boot structure - but it's gotta wait until I mow the lawn!
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  5. #15

    Posts : 116
    xp , 7Pro, 8RP, Android phone, Tablet

    In my case each copy of Win8 was installed individually to a single hard drive in the system (no others drives installed)
    so each copy should have no knowledge buried in the boot structure of a second version.
    It is only when both are connected that it shows up.
    Not really a problem for general use but I do have two versions of win7, one on ssd for games and the second on a 2TB for general purpose activities no such problems manifest themselves with that set up
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  6. #16

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    Win8.1Pro - Finally!!!

    There have been drastic changes in the boot structure of Win8 and I can't find any hard info on it.
    I'm going to try Win7/Win8 installation and Win8/Win8 installation on same hard drive and different hard drives as soon as I get a spare system available at work.

    I'll monitor the contents and date/timestamps of all the root files, will run Process Monitor at boot to see if it spots any changes, and will see what else pops up. This is gonna take me a while - but hopefully it'll be finished before Windows Internals 7th Edition comes out (Windows Internals 6th Edition part 1 just came out a few months ago!).
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  7. #17

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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin

    Quote Originally Posted by usasma View Post
    The bootim.exe is a great tip! Thanks!

    But, it hid my cursor. Any idea of how to get it back (short of a reboot?)
    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

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  8. #18

    Posts : 5,139
    Win8.1Pro - Finally!!!

    Thanks, I'll try that next time it happens!
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  9. #19

    Posts : 116
    xp , 7Pro, 8RP, Android phone, Tablet

    I have been running Win 7 for the last week and did not try again.
    I decided to cut out the number of variables involved and see what happens.
    I used a single drive, 1 partition,and installed on sata channel 1 master

    Default: Windows 8
    Timeout: 30 seconds
    EasyBCD Boot Device: C:\

    Entry #1
    Name: Windows 8
    BCD ID: {default}
    Drive: C:\
    Bootloader Path: \WINDOWS\system32\winload.exe

    All loads and runs perfectly.

    Shutdown, moved drive to sata channel 3.
    attempted to boot finds win8, then 10 secs into the boot screen
    I get the error and runs the attempting to repair cycle several times
    before failed to restore. use recovery tools etc. etc.

    Shutdown, move back to sata channel 1
    Boots immediately. No other actions taken by me other than physically changing the port.

    Therefore it the problem must be within the boot manager and the configuration info in the registry.
    I do not have the depth of knowledge to sort this out so I hope someone can help.

    Windows Boot Manager
    identifier {9dea862c-5cdd-4e70-acc1-f32b344d4795}
    device partition=C:
    description Windows Boot Manager
    locale en-US
    inherit {7ea2e1ac-2e61-4728-aaa3-896d9d0a9f0e}
    integrityservices Enable
    default {7043437e-90d4-11e1-a2ad-d4143e8be16b}
    resumeobject {7043437d-90d4-11e1-a2ad-d4143e8be16b}
    displayorder {7043437e-90d4-11e1-a2ad-d4143e8be16b}
    toolsdisplayorder {b2721d73-1db4-4c62-bf78-c548a880142d}
    timeout 30

    Windows Boot Loader
    identifier {7043437e-90d4-11e1-a2ad-d4143e8be16b}
    device partition=C:
    path \WINDOWS\system32\winload.exe
    description Windows 8
    locale en-US
    inherit {6efb52bf-1766-41db-a6b3-0ee5eff72bd7}
    recoverysequence {7043437f-90d4-11e1-a2ad-d4143e8be16b}
    integrityservices Enable
    recoveryenabled Yes
    custom:17000077 352321653
    osdevice partition=C:
    systemroot \WINDOWS
    resumeobject {7043437d-90d4-11e1-a2ad-d4143e8be16b}
    nx OptIn

    If I examined these objects they expand to quite a large tree
    none of which seemed to have any description referring to channels
    a number of the keys being just binary strings

    Incidently having just sat waiting for the attempting to repairing cycles to finish
    I have decided in future to refer to windows 8 as W8 = WAIT
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  10. #20

    Portsmouth Hants
    Posts : 772
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center

    One way to protect your multiboot system is to run the windows 8 RP (I did not find the CP so difficult to coexist with - but I am running that on an older IDE ATA disk system) from a USB - either a Flash drive, HD or in a VHD on a USB system (or a SSD if you can afford it) - and set your BIOS Boot order for USB first.

    Then USB in = Windows 8, USB out = Multiboot Windows 7, XP, Linux Mint, ThinPC, etc, and the Windows 8 bootloader does not attempt to interfere with internal drives on the SATA connections.
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